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I'm going to try and summarize the thoughts that have been swirling in my head for the past couple of months.

The mods are treated in the most disrespectful and toxic way that is completely unjustified. It amazes me how often I feel that the people who willingly take care of complaints and try (i say this heavily) to manage 60 reports on a normal basis somehow find the time and energy to put up with someone cussing them out or demanded they be demodded over a trivial matter such as a report outcome. I'm not saying that criticism isn't valid or that you shouldn't question some decisions, but the least you can do is be courteous. There was a reason laexio was so admired and it was that he made sure that the needs of the mods came before the needs of the players, because in reality, the mods are the backbone of the community. I can't make anyone agree with me, but understand how unsatisfying, how frustrating and how unnerving it can be to simply log onto epicmafia knowing that the community will always be against you. It is why the pool of mods is so staggeringly low.

The forums do not need to be moderated heavily, they serve a niche and are irrelevant to more than a quarter of the playerbase. The IC rule is broken and stupid. Google, or lucid for that matter, does not care about a couple of asteriks on the screen. They're a complete non-issue and it baffles me in the times I've been just a player that I've seen unneeded measures taken to control 'chaos' going on in the forums. The best solution is to let things die out because people get bored of hearing themselves talk, or posting badly for that matter.

The report system is abused and is inherently flawed. There is no reason for mods have to deal with 70-80 reports in a day. That is not a problem with the mods, that's a problem with the community. I've never been on a site where I've seen such a staggeringly high number of complaints in a single day. It sucks that things will always stay like this, but I bring this back to my original paragraph to the mods, and that you really do not give them the credit they deserve.

I want to condense this all and say this is my formal and public resignation from modding. These couple past months as a mod have been pure hell and I have lost all motivation and desire to go further. I enjoyed helping the community and doing my best to see to it that I did what I felt was right, but the strain is not worth it and I feel that all that effort I am putting into epicmafia modding could be put to better use. I had a goal of one day possibly being admin, but I don't think that is what I want or need to do for that matter.

later

deletedover 10 years

retti says

Shmeur is also mad because I GRSed in that game


well dude as a mad-diagnosis it looks like you're pretty mad with ur huge junk texts
deletedover 10 years
As I can see from the quote, I didn't neglect what you said, I responded to your slander against me.

As for your forum, I get why you posted, but as a normal player, I feel the need to defend the community you say makes the moderators role "so unbearable/miserable"
devin
over 10 years

retti says

Shmeur is also mad because I GRSed in that game


Nah. You're just being petty tbh.
deletedover 10 years
why isn't abc banned yet
deletedover 10 years
what are you trying to do here retti?

looks to me like you're trying to send a message over to the other mods about modding is worthless and a waste of time.

you've quit as mod good for you, there's no need to go round saying modding sucks and tryna make no one want to be a mod ( make the site worse than it already is).
deletedover 10 years
Shmeur is also mad because I GRSed in that game
deletedover 10 years

Smorlicious says


Smorlicious says


retti says


Smorlicious says

Do you have any evidence to support that I'm not a decent human being, or are you just assuming that because I disagree with you and actually have a legitimate point?




You're expecting human beings to attend to your needs regardless of their personal feeling and wellbeing because it's just their job

and that's not good


I'm not expecting all of humanity to bend their activities to fulfill my needs. What I do expect is a EM moderator to help sort through reports. I'm not forcing anyone to do it, I simply expect those given the position of moderator to fulfill all duties they sign up to do. Big difference.


Bumping so retti can see.


Your post was bad. You're still neglecting everything I've said to stick my name in the mud, to the point where you misconstrued this thread as me complaining about my personal experience as a mod when I told you it wasn't the case. I don't have much to say to you at this point other then you're being naive and insensitive right now and you should really stop
deletedover 10 years

Rutab says


Niakan says

i made a good point and rutab deleted it lol


Too bad you specifically insulted a specific user with awful past accusations whether they are true or not.


sorry didnt realize petri had any rights
deletedover 10 years

Niakan says

i made a good point and rutab deleted it lol


Too bad you specifically insulted a specific user with awful past accusations whether they are true or not.
deletedover 10 years

Smorlicious says


retti says


Smorlicious says

Do you have any evidence to support that I'm not a decent human being, or are you just assuming that because I disagree with you and actually have a legitimate point?




You're expecting human beings to attend to your needs regardless of their personal feeling and wellbeing because it's just their job

and that's not good


I'm not expecting all of humanity to bend their activities to fulfill my needs. What I do expect is a EM moderator to help sort through reports. I'm not forcing anyone to do it, I simply expect those given the position of moderator to fulfill all duties they sign up to do. Big difference.


Bumping so retti can see.
deletedover 10 years

retti says

You're expecting human beings to attend to your needs regardless of their personal feeling and wellbeing because it's just their job

and that's not good


if person feelings and wellbeing gets in the way of their modding then they shouldn't be a mod
jack
over 10 years

Rutab says


Niakan says


Rutab says

The only thing I am going to say here is that if you (the community) feel like something is wrong, tell us constructively. If you think we are "toxic" then tell us what you think we did wrong and we will talk through it. We are not here to work against you. We cannot attempt to change anything if all of the complaints are baseless insults. We will take the time to walk through with you our reasoning if you just ask.


if only the mods cooperated. the amount of times someone makes a constructive complaint and some mod like bear/slow comes in and spews crap all over it


There are other mods besides Slow.


no no no shhhhh shhhhh
deletedover 10 years
i made a good point and rutab deleted it lol
deletedover 10 years

Slow says


Niakan says

i never said the complaint was about you, i said you just post crap in the complaints. reading is hard


this post is a submission that i just suplexed you, and i'm okay with that.


ok abc
deletedover 10 years

Niakan says

i never said the complaint was about you, i said you just post crap in the complaints. reading is hard


this post is a submission that i just suplexed you, and i'm okay with that.
deletedover 10 years
i never said the complaint was about you, i said you just post crap in the complaints. reading is hard
deletedover 10 years

retti says


Smorlicious says

Do you have any evidence to support that I'm not a decent human being, or are you just assuming that because I disagree with you and actually have a legitimate point?




You're expecting human beings to attend to your needs regardless of their personal feeling and wellbeing because it's just their job

and that's not good


I'm not expecting all of humanity to bend their activities to fulfill my needs. What I do expect is a EM moderator to help sort through reports. I'm not forcing anyone to do it, I simply expect those given the position of moderator to fulfill all duties they sign up to do. Big difference.
deletedover 10 years

Niakan says


Slow says


Niakan says


Rutab says

The only thing I am going to say here is that if you (the community) feel like something is wrong, tell us constructively. If you think we are "toxic" then tell us what you think we did wrong and we will talk through it. We are not here to work against you. We cannot attempt to change anything if all of the complaints are baseless insults. We will take the time to walk through with you our reasoning if you just ask.


if only the mods cooperated. the amount of times someone makes a constructive complaint and some mod like bear/slow comes in and spews crap all over it


i am both bear and slow, friend.


sorry bud i wasn't pointing any fingers just using u as an example


well your example sucked, since there have been approximately 0 valid complaints about me in complaints forum.
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Slow says


Niakan says


Rutab says

The only thing I am going to say here is that if you (the community) feel like something is wrong, tell us constructively. If you think we are "toxic" then tell us what you think we did wrong and we will talk through it. We are not here to work against you. We cannot attempt to change anything if all of the complaints are baseless insults. We will take the time to walk through with you our reasoning if you just ask.


if only the mods cooperated. the amount of times someone makes a constructive complaint and some mod like bear/slow comes in and spews crap all over it


i am both bear and slow, friend.


sorry bud i wasn't pointing any fingers just using u as an example
deletedover 10 years

Niakan says


Rutab says

The only thing I am going to say here is that if you (the community) feel like something is wrong, tell us constructively. If you think we are "toxic" then tell us what you think we did wrong and we will talk through it. We are not here to work against you. We cannot attempt to change anything if all of the complaints are baseless insults. We will take the time to walk through with you our reasoning if you just ask.


if only the mods cooperated. the amount of times someone makes a constructive complaint and some mod like bear/slow comes in and spews crap all over it


There are other mods besides Slow.
deletedover 10 years

Smorlicious says

Do you have any evidence to support that I'm not a decent human being, or are you just assuming that because I disagree with you and actually have a legitimate point?




You're expecting human beings to attend to your needs regardless of their personal feeling and wellbeing because it's just their job

and that's not good
deletedover 10 years

Niakan says


Rutab says

The only thing I am going to say here is that if you (the community) feel like something is wrong, tell us constructively. If you think we are "toxic" then tell us what you think we did wrong and we will talk through it. We are not here to work against you. We cannot attempt to change anything if all of the complaints are baseless insults. We will take the time to walk through with you our reasoning if you just ask.


if only the mods cooperated. the amount of times someone makes a constructive complaint and some mod like bear/slow comes in and spews crap all over it


i am both bear and slow, friend.
deletedover 10 years

Rutab says


Rutab says

The only thing I am going to say here is that if you (the community) feel like something is wrong, tell us constructively. If you think we are "toxic" then tell us what you think we did wrong and we will talk through it. We are not here to work against you. We cannot attempt to change anything if all of the complaints are baseless insults. We will take the time to walk through with you our reasoning if you just ask.


Requoting specifically for Smorlicious to see.


I read this, and as I said before, I'm not mad at the mods and have nothing against them. I think they're running things fine. I want to know what did Retti expect when applying to be mod?
deletedover 10 years

Rutab says

The only thing I am going to say here is that if you (the community) feel like something is wrong, tell us constructively. If you think we are "toxic" then tell us what you think we did wrong and we will talk through it. We are not here to work against you. We cannot attempt to change anything if all of the complaints are baseless insults. We will take the time to walk through with you our reasoning if you just ask.


if only the mods cooperated. the amount of times someone makes a constructive complaint and some mod like bear/slow comes in and spews crap all over it
deletedover 10 years

Niakan says


retti says

That post was at smor by the way. I don't care what he thinks of me as a mod because it will never impact anything, but I do care that my message is getting across somehow. This thread wasn't me bellyaching about my own experience, it was me giving my perspective of what I saw and what I've seen. When I said it was 'pure hell' for me, it's because my personal motivation had been shot due to the reasons I stated in this thread, not because people were lambasting me personally. To my surprise, I was generally well-recieved as my time as a mod and basically you can eat me


aah ok dude, but how was it different from being a mod that other time you were a mod, what made you want to be a mod again?


I wanted to help the community and give back for the time I was here. I was stupidly sentimental about it to the point where I felt like it was the only worth I had on the site as I hated mafia and the forums were starting to bore me. I got involved with the arcbell incident and it really sparked my motivation to try and mod again so I could make sure that never happened again. Everything just happened to fall into place for me.