over 10 years

I'M BACK FOR YOUR ANNUAL RELIGIOUS DISCUSSION

so do[es] he/she/it/they exist?

over 10 years

eaglesbaby says


Edark says


Steven says

What would you update it about Edark?


well considering this Lev book seems rather outdated with it rules and views on how people should live, I assume that there are many other parts that needs to get updated aswell


Leviticus is a historical manual. Obviously it is safe to plant two types of seeds and to wear poly-blends.

Look to the Gospels for an update.


is this your interpretation or some sort of common knowledge, since in my bible it doesnt say anything about it being "just a historical manual"
over 10 years

Lashka says


Edark says

I think its time for change, its time to update the bible. I dont remember how the bible was made now again, wasnt it just a bunch of histories added together according to most historians or something along those lines?


The Roman Christian priests met at a bunch of ecumenical councils to decide which books to include and which books to throw out. A few churches disagreed with some of the things decided at these early councils and branched off to form their own branches of Christianity, which were considered heretical at the time. The Nestorian churches and the Coptic churches are examples of these.


Elaborate on these books, what exactly was these books and who wrote them? According to a quick google search it appears to have been written down stories whom had been passed down orally for generations perhaps, which doesnt seem very trustworthy in my opinion.
over 10 years

Edark says


Steven says

What would you update it about Edark?


well considering this Lev book seems rather outdated with it rules and views on how people should live, I assume that there are many other parts that needs to get updated aswell


Leviticus is a historical manual. Obviously it is safe to plant two types of seeds and to wear poly-blends.

Look to the Gospels for an update.
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Edark says

I think its time for change, its time to update the bible. I dont remember how the bible was made now again, wasnt it just a bunch of histories added together according to most historians or something along those lines?


The Roman Christian priests met at a bunch of ecumenical councils to decide which books to include and which books to throw out. A few churches disagreed with some of the things decided at these early councils and branched off to form their own branches of Christianity, which were considered heretical at the time. The Nestorian churches and the Coptic churches are examples of these.
over 10 years

lolwot says


Edark says

OK , what is hell like then


No one knows unless they've died, went to hell, and came back to life.

If you'd like to know what Hell is depicted as in scripture then just read the Bible. :^)


IIRC hell was never mentioned (by name anyway) in the bible.
over 10 years

Steven says

What would you update it about Edark?


well considering this Lev book seems rather outdated with it rules and views on how people should live, I assume that there are many other parts that needs to get updated aswell
over 10 years

Lashka says

I'm not talking about homosexuality at all. I'm talking about why books where God himself is 'active' are considered a lower priority than Revelations, which is pretty much the prototype of a Gothic Horror novel.


Revelations are not a priority either. The Gospels are where it's at, yo.
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I'm not talking about homosexuality at all. I'm talking about why books where God himself is 'active' are considered a lower priority than Revelations, which is pretty much the prototype of a Gothic Horror novel.
over 10 years
What would you update it about Edark?
over 10 years
I think its time for change, its time to update the bible. I dont remember how the bible was made now again, wasnt it just a bunch of histories added together according to most historians or something along those lines?
over 10 years
You guys are getting off track here, this will turn into a conversation of whether or not the bible condemns homosexuality and I would much rather not get into that. Whether it does or doesn't is irrelevant to the current question, which was why some people are bashed when everyone's a sinner, and the answer is that they obviously shouldn't.
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Hah, Reformations just add to the watering down of the 'original' messages.
over 10 years

lolwot says



I've never understood the logic of the Old Testament being less important because it's older.


The Old Testament is equally important (varies among denominations)

The Old Testament isn't considered less important for being older.


It's not less important, but it's not the basis for Christianity. It gives us historical context, knowledge about the Jewish roots of Christianity, how Jesus fits into all of it and why we needed a Savior.
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lets talk about mormons
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lolwot says



I've never understood the logic of the Old Testament being less important because it's older.


The Old Testament is equally important (varies among denominations)

The Old Testament isn't considered less important for being older.


"I can ignore stuff from the Old Testament because it's so outdated, but not stuff from the New Testament, which is merely ~2000 years old."
over 10 years
Eaglesbaby:
"The Gospels ARE the updated version. Leviticus is from the Old Testament, which is not what defines Christianity. The Gospels of the New Testament share the message of Christianity most applicably as they are the direct teachings of Jesus, and there is no mention of anti-gay behavior. Jesus never addressed homosexuality. Not even once."

lolwot:
"The Old Testament is equally important (varies among denominations)

The Old Testament isn't considered less important for being older."

well this is a contradiction again
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I've never understood the logic of the Old Testament being less important because it's older.


The Old Testament is equally important (varies among denominations)

The Old Testament isn't considered less important for being older.
over 10 years

Edark says


eaglesbaby says


Edark says


projectmatt says


Edark says

How come so many christians bash homosexualls for not following one commandment then, when everyone isnt following all of them O_O Doesnt sound very gracefully to me


Because humans make mistakes and can be very judgmental. Thankfully, we can rely on what God himself says and not what some people who believe in him say.


Lev. 18:22, "You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination."1
Lev. 20:13, "If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their bloodguiltness is upon them."

I just googled bible quotes about homosexuality, I think its pretty clear cut on what the big dude in the sky thinks


Leviticus also says this:

19 “‘Keep my decrees.

“‘Do not mate different kinds of animals.

“‘Do not plant your field with two kinds of seed.

“‘Do not wear clothing woven of two kinds of material.


The point is that Leviticus is now considered what was a general guideline for standards of living.



Haha yeah, sounds about right for an 2000 year old book, maybe we shouldnt listen to it since its clearly outdated, or better yet, update it!


The Gospels ARE the updated version. Leviticus is from the Old Testament, which is not what defines Christianity. The Gospels of the New Testament share the message of Christianity most applicably as they are the direct teachings of Jesus, and there is no mention of anti-gay behavior. Jesus never addressed homosexuality. Not even once.
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I've never understood the logic of the Old Testament being less important because it's older. Given that it's the only one with contact with God himself (as far as I can remember), and that contact with a God/Gods clearly hasn't happened recently and inaccuracies are always added to things over time, you'd think the oldest possible sources would be the most accurate.

Revelations takes so many things from other religions to bolt into Christianity to make its appeal more widespread and differ it from Judaism and I've never understood how it's considered one of the most important books.
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projectmatt face me in the gauntlet but admission requires that you bathe yourself in goat blood
over 10 years

Goodbar says


Edark says


400000 says

christianity and homosexuality really don't tie in much at all but i guess some people like to believe it does for some reason


Im pretty sure that most book religions say that homosexuality is a sin in one way or another


what most books? it's mentioned like 2-3 times in slightly ambiguous ways and never in the gospel


Most book religions, as in Islam Christianity and Judaism.
over 10 years

Lashka says


Edark says


Lashka says


Edark says


400000 says

christianity and homosexuality really don't tie in much at all but i guess some people like to believe it does for some reason


Im pretty sure that most book religions say that homosexuality is a sin in one way or another


What Abrahamic Religions say is not representative of most book religions.


I have no clue what part of the bible Lev 18:22 is from but since its in the bible I assume its gods word and included in most book religions(atleast christianity)?


What do you mean by 'Book Religions'?

If you mean every religion with holy scriptures, then that's utterly inaccurate. If you mean Abrahamic Religions (Christianity, Judaism, Islam) then that's fine.


Yeah I ment Abrahamic religions
over 10 years
Christians shouldn't bash homosexuals. They should treat them just as they treat every other sinner (anyone basically). That doesn't mean that they have to agree with the idea of homosexuality being okay or its legality.

People bash each other when they're upset, and while most moral values are shared between atheists and Christians, views regarding homosexuality/sanctity of marriage is one that often differs. It is much easier to bash someone that walks thinking that what they're doing is right and accepts his life that one that sins but knows what he did is wrong.
over 10 years
i can't identify as a christian but i think it's rather vile of people to cling to religion for bigotry against homosexuality when the foundation is incredibly weak
over 10 years

Edark says


projectmatt says


Edark says

How come so many christians bash homosexualls for not following one commandment then, when everyone isnt following all of them O_O Doesnt sound very gracefully to me


Because humans make mistakes and can be very judgmental. Thankfully, we can rely on what God himself says and not what some people who believe in him say.


Lev. 18:22, "You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination."1
Lev. 20:13, "If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their bloodguiltness is upon them."

I just googled bible quotes about homosexuality, I think its pretty clear cut on what the big dude in the sky thinks


The topic of homosexuality has a lot of varied opinions among Christians. In these verses specifically, Leviticus was an old testament book written with all kinds of laws that people don't follow today. The laws were necessary back then, but they aren't today. Now, there are verses in the New Testament that may or may not condemn homosexuality depending on your interpretation.

I think that the point a lot of people miss is that even if homosexuality is something "sinful", it's the exact same type of sin as lying or as envying or as stealing. God does not look at homosexuals differently from any other human beings. Tragically, Christians have misrepresented and been very unloving towards the topic. Regardless of whether or not that specific thing is a sin; the point is that every person on the planet are seen as sinners all equally in need of God's grace. There is no reason to treat homosexuality different from how you would treat any other person on the planet, but many have warped that viewpoint considerably.