Im actually done with this thread now since Im heading to bed, but this have been a very funny thread, goodnight folks
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That's why I said these threads are only interesting when people from different religions (Hinduism, Buddhism, Islam to a degree, anything else non-Abrahamic) that you don't usually hear from post in them.
I do think differently than them a little bit, but not at all in the way you're thinking. They will agree with me that Jesus sacrifice can only be understood via the old Testament, just ask them.
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The basis I have is in the Gospels when Jesus talks about the old way of doing things. "I have not come to abolish the (Old Testament) but to fulfill them" If a contract is fulfilled, then what it was meant to accomplish has already been completed. Hence Jesus' cry on the cross saying "It is finished." But many things that were spoken in the Old Testament are still truth. So, when the Old Testament says "Respect your parents" and the New Testament is like "Hey, that still is true." Then you follow what it says.
What Steven is talking about is that there are a number of things in the Old Testament that were for a specific people in a specific time. In Leviticus, there's a section about what happens when you get mold in your house. It's advice we would sitll follow, if we didn't have contractors who could help us restore our house and take care of the mold.
God knew about mold being a problem in houses, so healthwise, He gave advice on how to deal with it. That's obviously not a doctrine that someone starts a church around "The Church of Removing Mold"
I believe a debate about objective/subjective/no-morality would be a lot more fun though, since it's something there's quite some common ground to work for. This is just people explaining their beliefs and others looking for contradictions, not really anywhere anyone will learn much or be swayed IMO
The moral rules should be, yes. As long as you have faith you are forgiven, however. Advice is a lot more subjective. BTW I call it advice but that's a terrible word, I just don't know what to call it. I just mean stuff that would have been terrible for example health-wise back then but aren't anymore.
Forgive. Sin still exists. There are some things in the bible which aren't sin, though. For example, God tells us that it is wise to invest money, but that doesn't mean that if you don't invest you're sinning. Right now its still pretty wise to invest money, but if we lived in a communist state or something the advice wouldn't really apply.
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That's because the Old Covenant was a temporary solution. I'm not God so I can't tell you why He didn't just send Jesus right away and get the whole thing taken care of, but 2 Peter 3:9 says that "God is not slow in keeping His promise, as some understand slowness" (We have a very VERY different interpretation of time than God does) "Instead, He is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance"
God's plan is perfect, but is so much smarter than what we can comprehend, so it's ok to not have all of the answers sometimes
Only if you think the context was telling you "it's wrong to do this" as opposed to "you shouldn't do this". Some parts are up to debate while others are more agreed upon being one or the other. The thing is that the old testament was not only what God said was right or wrong but also set different traditions, procedures, etc that should be followed for the nation to prosper. Basically, lots of advice mixed in with rules. Some other things are also not relevant at all anymore due to the sacrifice with Jesus.
Well your view doesnt reflect upon everyone and there certainly do exist tons of people who try and follow these to their best judgement , but obviously not every rule since its impossible in todays world, which it should be updated so its more fitting?
This also implies that the rules he set in Lex is still supposed to be followed, which many here seems to think otherwise about backinturq, why is that? O_O
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The various translations of the Bible just make the original word less and less accurate. Hence reformations being things which weaken the moral authority of a religion.
