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I'M BACK FOR YOUR ANNUAL RELIGIOUS DISCUSSION

so do[es] he/she/it/they exist?

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LadyNemesis says

I think it's good to remember the bible's a pretty old book with a collection of stories that have been told to each other for even longer before they were written down.
The general beliefs and views of that time are completely woven into that book. I know some people think it is the literal word of god, but I think you should always place it in a historical and cultural context.


Why havent it been updated in 2000 years then
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Edark says

On a completely different note, doesnt it say in the bible that other gods exist aswell, but not as powerfull?


And people call Christians ignorant >_>
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Edark says

I dont imply you ignore them as in, not having read them. I imply you devalue them for being "historical monuments" and somewhat ignore them in that context eaglesbaby


I understand, but I especially do not devalue them. In fact, Exodus is one of my favorite books and I contemplate it often.
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On a completely different note, doesnt it say in the bible that other gods exist aswell, but not as powerfull?
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I think it's good to remember the bible's a pretty old book with a collection of stories that have been told to each other for even longer before they were written down.
The general beliefs and views of that time are completely woven into that book. I know some people think it is the literal word of god, but I think you should always place it in a historical and cultural context.
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Lashka says


eaglesbaby says

Leviticus also says this:

19 “‘Keep my decrees.

“‘Do not mate different kinds of animals.

“‘Do not plant your field with two kinds of seed.

“‘Do not wear clothing woven of two kinds of material.


The point is that Leviticus is now considered what was a general guideline for standards of living.







I don't see anything here about "ignoring parts of the Old Testament".

If you're going to present the argument:

"well Christians plant fields with two different seeds and Christians wear clothes made of 2 different fabrics, and Christians eat pork. Christians are nitpickers because the Old Testament says not to do those things"

then you're honestly the one nitpicking and neglecting the rest of what is written in the Bible (due to ignorance of not knowing the religion).
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creator says

Why do you believe in God/s?


I went to EM and I saw the creator, if you get what I mean.
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eaglesbaby says

This is a belief that most Biblical scholars unanimously hold.


Christian Biblical*, and that depends on what branch.
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Why do you believe in God/s?
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Edark says


eaglesbaby says


Edark says


Steven says

What would you update it about Edark?


well considering this Lev book seems rather outdated with it rules and views on how people should live, I assume that there are many other parts that needs to get updated aswell


Leviticus is a historical manual. Obviously it is safe to plant two types of seeds and to wear poly-blends.

Look to the Gospels for an update.


is this your interpretation or some sort of common knowledge, since in my bible it doesnt say anything about it being "just a historical manual"


This is a belief that most Biblical scholars unanimously hold.
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I dont imply you ignore them as in, not having read them. I imply you devalue them for being "historical manual" and somewhat ignore them in that context eaglesbaby
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Edark, there is a lot of debate about Leviticus and other Old Testament commandments for that matter. Some, for example I believe circumcision, are directly mentioned in the New Testament as no longer being applicable so people are free to choose if they want to follow them or not. Others, like the types of food you can eat, are thought to have been precautions because of cooking utensils, harmful pathogens, etc from the time, so rather than sin, they were guidelines for better standards of living.

If you want to talk about any specific verse there can easily be debate between Christians of what is wrong to do or not. I myself do not agree with some of the posts on this thread, for example, but that's debate that should be held once you accept the bible as God's word, and not the other way around really.
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Edark says


lolwot says


Lashka says


lolwot says



I've never understood the logic of the Old Testament being less important because it's older.


The Old Testament is equally important (varies among denominations)

The Old Testament isn't considered less important for being older.


"I can ignore stuff from the Old Testament because it's so outdated, but not stuff from the New Testament, which is merely ~2000 years old."


Your response is irrelevant to my point as I never said the statements you're generalizing.

Besides, IDK of any Christians who "ignore stuff in the Old Testament" :^)


What about eaglesbaby?


Edark, I don't ignore anything. I have read every book of the Old Testament. The Old Testament is where Christianity is rooted. The New Testament, specifically The Gospels, is what came of the Old Testament.
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Lashka says


lolwot says

Your response is irrelevant to my point as I never said the statements you're generalizing.

Besides, IDK of any Christians who "ignore stuff in the Old Testament" :^)


I was quoting what other people in this thread have said.


Oh okay. And I was just making a generalized statement.

Most Christians that I'm aware of really don't claim that the Old Testament is particularly "less important" but rather they put more emphasis on the New Testament, and spend more time studying the New Testament.

I guess you could make the inference that "because you spend less time read x that makes y more important" but I'm saying that's not really accurate. Though I fully understand why people would make those assumptions.
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projectmatt says

The topic of homosexuality has a lot of varied opinions among Christians. In these verses specifically, Leviticus was an old testament book written with all kinds of laws that people don't follow today. The laws were necessary back then, but they aren't today. Now, there are verses in the New Testament that may or may not condemn homosexuality depending on your interpretation

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Love says

as an atheist though, i believe theres nothing wrong with wanting to believe there's an afterlife. neither atheists nor religious people know exactly what happens to a person after they die. although i lean towards there being nothing, i want to believe joan rivers is up there waiting for me


I read some agnostic views ;-)
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eaglesbaby says

Leviticus also says this:

19 “‘Keep my decrees.

“‘Do not mate different kinds of animals.

“‘Do not plant your field with two kinds of seed.

“‘Do not wear clothing woven of two kinds of material.


The point is that Leviticus is now considered what was a general guideline for standards of living.



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What did eaglesbaby say?? I can't speak for her anyway. There are thousands of denominations of Christianity. Not everyone holds the same views. I can only really express my own from what I've learned and understand.
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lolwot says

Your response is irrelevant to my point as I never said the statements you're generalizing.

Besides, IDK of any Christians who "ignore stuff in the Old Testament" :^)


I was quoting what other people in this thread have said.

@Edark

The Old Testament canon was finalised much earlier, I believe, given that Judaism has been around since somewhere around 2500BC, so sources on that are much harder to come by.

For the New Testament, there was a lot of debate between scholars/priests about whether something was 'authentic' or not. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antilegomena
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Edark says


Lashka says


Edark says

I think its time for change, its time to update the bible. I dont remember how the bible was made now again, wasnt it just a bunch of histories added together according to most historians or something along those lines?


The Roman Christian priests met at a bunch of ecumenical councils to decide which books to include and which books to throw out. A few churches disagreed with some of the things decided at these early councils and branched off to form their own branches of Christianity, which were considered heretical at the time. The Nestorian churches and the Coptic churches are examples of these.


Elaborate on these books, what exactly was these books and who wrote them? According to a quick google search it appears to have been written down stories whom had been passed down orally for generations perhaps, which doesnt seem very trustworthy in my opinion.


They are collectively known as the Apocrypha. They include several letters to the Corinthians, The Gnostic Gospels (including The Gospel of Mary, The Gospel of Thomas, The Gospel of Peter, etc), The Assumption of the Virgin, The History of Joseph the Carpenter, etc. There are many.
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lolwot says


Lashka says


lolwot says



I've never understood the logic of the Old Testament being less important because it's older.


The Old Testament is equally important (varies among denominations)

The Old Testament isn't considered less important for being older.


"I can ignore stuff from the Old Testament because it's so outdated, but not stuff from the New Testament, which is merely ~2000 years old."


Your response is irrelevant to my point as I never said the statements you're generalizing.

Besides, IDK of any Christians who "ignore stuff in the Old Testament" :^)


What about eaglesbaby?
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Lashka says


lolwot says



I've never understood the logic of the Old Testament being less important because it's older.


The Old Testament is equally important (varies among denominations)

The Old Testament isn't considered less important for being older.


"I can ignore stuff from the Old Testament because it's so outdated, but not stuff from the New Testament, which is merely ~2000 years old."


Your response is irrelevant to my point as I never said the statements you're generalizing.

Besides, IDK of any Christians who "ignore stuff in the Old Testament" :^)
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Lashka says

They were pretty much collections of stories/teachings and documents from the life of Christ to somewhere around 90AD (when the last book, Revelations, was written).


Im talking about the old testement aswell, is that included in this answer?
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Hell doesn't exist, the only mentioned word that could mean hell is the hebrew word "sheol" which actually means the grave and if everyone goes to sheol then that means everyone goes to hell.

THEREFORE IF HELL DOESN'T EXIST, it makes you think about what else could be untrue about this wonky religion
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They were pretty much collections of stories/teachings and documents from the life of Christ to somewhere around 90AD (when the last book, Revelations, was written).