I regret to inform you that I will be disabling the competition from Training Lobby after trophies are given out for this round.
Almost every round since its inception, there has been a major cheating investigation in the Training Round, some people have gotten away with it, and others have not. Participation has also waned considerably since its inception.
This does not mean the competition will be disabled permanently, but I will be disabling it for the time being. I'm hoping everyone can reconsider their actions and understand that we work very hard to keep the rounds clean, and it's simply becoming too much work for us to manage in addition to the Comp Lobby investigations (which are surprisingly less frequent).
Many of you who have won trophies in the Training competition or come close should strongly consider playing in Comp Lobby, the competition is more consistent there and the mod team is better equipped to handle issues there since competition is treated more seriously. You're all good enough to play there as well.
There is no current timetable for its return, but I will be disabling it after the round ends.
Thank you for your cooperation and understanding, I am sorry it has come to this. I honestly liked the round and encouraging people to try new setups, but there have been a lot of problems associated with it so we need to give it a rest for now.
As if this is an excuse for poor work or the inability to fire them.
If they spent so much 'time' to "help" the site, the site would not be in such a mess. Mods nowadays wanna be so for the title, not the responsibility. You got a crap mod team bro and you can't deny it.
If I volunteered at a local soup kitchen but, instead of feeding the poor homeless people of Bristol, I instead ate all the soup and even took some home for lunch the next day, I would be fired.
I would not be allowed to continue working there because I was working on 'my time' for nothing.
Ideal mod thinking: I want to better the site. This will take me time and energy but I want to be the best moderator there is. I want to be fair and correct, and I want to be trained so well that everyone thinks my decisions are great. The site needs me to maintain it and its core values so I will put my all into my job. If I feel at any time I am not doing my job well/I no longer want to do it because the workload is too much, I shall leave.
Current mod thinking: I hate this website all these reports suck. Man I wish I didn't have to spend so much time here. I'd quit but I like being called a mod and having the power to effect change. I may make wrong decisions but I won't seek help from others because I believe my decisions to be correct. If the site does not improve, I will find someone else to blame. [insert God complex].
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Anyway, best short-term solution would probably be to add some mods from training lobby to actually mod training lobby.
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Nonprofit agencies have a policy of cutting volunteers who slack off.
You have to remember. Mods do this as volunteer work. It's not their job. They do this on their own time to help the site. Shutting down the site for a day would be detrimental to lucid, think of all the money he'd lose.
I have some ideas that aren't fully formed yet. Lobby mods aren't a complete system, so it won't work.
And again guy, to be frank, the best way to prepare for comp lobby is to play in it. That means going in, losing, making mistakes and learning. Being around higher quality players makes you a better player. Training people tend to hang around training and plateau because the general skill level is lower all around.
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Sometimes not even that. It's inaction and cowardice. Bumpers isn't even doing a good job of management. Bronto's doing all the grunt work.
I just don't understand why this is being made out to be some really complicated, difficult problem that involves the structure of the whole site. You don't need to add/delete lobbies (or even rounds) to fix a mod team.
It seems there are loads of problems with EM right now, but there are loads of solutions to all of them. Problem is, they're matching the wrong solutions to the wrong problems.
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Funnily enough it was actually getting some dosage of QC when Arcbell was admin. Everyone knows how that turned out.
Rub them the wrong way - if they're not doing their jobs, what pleasantries do you owe them?! Frankly if I had to annoy one person to benefit the x amount of users on this site, I would do so with full force.
While we all love flowers and peace and friendship and ahimsa, EM is in a damned dire situation and it's gotta take some tough love to bring it back to glory. If you gotta 'pee' off a few people, they'll get over it. I'd hope they'd be okay with it on the basis that it's site improvement (what they're here for in the first place?!).
I'd recommend assessing the performance and ability of EVERY SINGLE mod and mod application and start from scratch. Take the site down for a day (we could all do with some sunlight), go through with lobby owners and 'experienced' mods (who do the work - mind you, quality > quantity) what you want in a mod team, and make the team. This really is not as difficult as Lucid/others are making it. It's sounding really complicated when in actual fact, it's really VERY easy.
Reshuffle it all.
Sort this mess out. Lucid has so many active users who participate in forum discussions and the 'politics' of the site willing to help him - he needs to make use of them!
This site lacks direction, administration and quality control.
Training and Comp can be as structurally similar as you want, that's not a problem. It's even better, so Training People gets ready easierly (is this a word?) for Comp Lobby.
The reasoning "I have comp in Comp Lobby, if I put comp in Training Lobby too, they will be the same" it's TOTALLY WRONG. Only thing those 2 lobbies have in common is the word "lobby" after their name. Different players, Different way of playing, Different Setups played, and Different REASONS TO EXIST.
Training exists (see the name) to TRAIN people.
Comp exists (see the name) to COMPETE. To do this, you need to be TRAINED (see Training Lobby).
Now, if Training lobby doesn't train, that's not working. Call it "casual lobby" "Classic+Coco's+FP Lobby" or whatever you prefer, but it's not going to be a "Training place" no more.
As usual, this is just my opinion (shared by a lot of people, I see). Greetings, Guy
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Know what would be a good fix? Lobby mods. The current global staff is more akin to comp lobby staff. Training lobby has no true representation.
Btw, I totally agree also on last Emmer's post. If there's nobody good enough / with enough time / both things to do the modding, ADD PEOPLE to the Mod Team.
If it's not only for training, but a general thing (that just 2 or 3 are doing the work) A REASON MORE. ADD PEOPLE TO THE MOD TEAM (or change the ones not working).
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Comp really isn't worth keeping tbh. And you're going to rub people the wrong way no matter what you do. But you can choose which people you rub. That's what does matter.
Something needs to change, but it'll be tough to make a good implementation without rubbing a lot of people the wrong way. This is something I'll be talking to lucid and the mods about, because something needs to change because the current structure isn't working.
Training and Comp, structurally, are too similar to co-exist as they do. There needs to be differences to justify keeping them both.
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Bronto, so far you're the only one on the staff who gives a damn about training lobby.
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Yeah, I agree with almost everything being said here by Emma. There has to be reshuffling with the moderators.
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Except it's hard to find anyone willing to go the extra mile when they literally get lynched because they're willing to do the right things.
