I regret to inform you that I will be disabling the competition from Training Lobby after trophies are given out for this round.
Almost every round since its inception, there has been a major cheating investigation in the Training Round, some people have gotten away with it, and others have not. Participation has also waned considerably since its inception.
This does not mean the competition will be disabled permanently, but I will be disabling it for the time being. I'm hoping everyone can reconsider their actions and understand that we work very hard to keep the rounds clean, and it's simply becoming too much work for us to manage in addition to the Comp Lobby investigations (which are surprisingly less frequent).
Many of you who have won trophies in the Training competition or come close should strongly consider playing in Comp Lobby, the competition is more consistent there and the mod team is better equipped to handle issues there since competition is treated more seriously. You're all good enough to play there as well.
There is no current timetable for its return, but I will be disabling it after the round ends.
Thank you for your cooperation and understanding, I am sorry it has come to this. I honestly liked the round and encouraging people to try new setups, but there have been a lot of problems associated with it so we need to give it a rest for now.
Even UK government just managed a Cabinet reshuffle. This is a website. Reshuffle mod team like a deck of cards. Rip the Jokers to pieces, replace with Kings (of cheating reports).
If it's too much for the mod team as it stands, I have this wild idea: get more mods but train them only in Training Lobby cheating - specialist mods will not only reduce workload, but ensure it's done properly and with the correct expertise. Current mod system is trying to spread itself too thinly, mistakes get made, reports don't get done, lobby comp rounds get thrown into the bin.
Mods do a great job, and I'm not bashing, but say you own a cafe and 3 staff members quit their jobs - you don't insist that the remaining staff members cover their work as well as their own. You call in more staff/hire some more. If you don't, eventually your current staff will be frustrated with all the work they're doing and leave (that's already happened on EM), and suddenly you have a crap website with crap service (OOPS, I mean crap cafe...).
Some players are willing to be modded and go through the motions of training to specialise in niche rule-breaking areas. It's not like they get paid - all it would take is time to train them?
As for cheating - as bloody annoying as it is, it will happen. You will never be able to 100% rid EM of cheaters. That's life - you get a competitively-based internet game, people play it to win. Some people, by any means necessary. Some people cheat for prestige on COD, some people hide money in their sleeves in Monopoly, some people try to peek at the answer in Cluedo. Trying to rid this website of cheaters is like trying to get world peace - impossible and a waste of everyone's time; time that could be spent on other improvements elsewhere. You will never catch every cheater on EM. It's literally that simple. So let's stop ruining EM for the legit players and instead bring back Training Lobby comp. Where a cheater is found out, site ban. None of this suspension crap - ban. Bye bye cheater, hello legit players.
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This site is a complete joke now thanks to poor/apathetic management (other than Bronto).
Fancy + Coco's + Classic + some random stuff (i.e. NOT Comp Setups) for 99.99% of the games.
And there will be NOTHING to Train players.
That's all. Also, nobody (but a few people who already decided THANKS TO THE ROUND) will jump to Comp directly from Training, it's too much the difference.
None of the other rounds are anywhere nearly as active as Training or Comp, and none of the others are moderated by the site mods.
Looking through rounds and going through cheating is not an easy process and it's very draining, and there aren't a ton of people equipped to do it who are always around to write up pastebins that can prove anything.
I'd love to change the way the moderation team is structured, but as it is right now the Training round in addition to Comp is too much for us to deal with as we have been.
There is still a possibility of it making a return, but I want to see how the lobby is without it for a while. There was a lot of bad behavior this round and the lobby became more caustic as a result. I don't want training to be so volatile.
Minus the flaming, I do agree with Guy here. Training has in no way prepared me for comp at all other than teaching me how to vote etc. We need more than that. Not shooting you down or anything, just being the voice in the back of your head. .3.
Cheating will definitely be mitigated with nothing to cheat for.
Comp Lobby has always had a competition, long before Training ever did and is a lobby built and designed for competitive play. Training was built for people to learn the game and then move onto Comp.
It is not too extreme...it's what happens in Training... do you see what's being played there?
Fancy + Classic + Coco's + diverse unranked stuff
who's playing Competitive setups in Training now?
NOBODY.
How will that help Training to TRAIN Training people to get into Comp Lobby?
IN NO WAY
Will Cheating stop all of a sudden?
NO
So what's the difference beetween Training and Comp Lobby?
That in Comp Lobby you can have the Round bc "it's called competitive" (basically is that what you're saying) and in Training you can't because of Cheaters. But cheaters are in Comp too. So, doesn't make sense. And NOW Training is going back to be Classic + FP + Coco's + unranked. Good job in having Training NOT TO Train.
Guy, your all or nothing attitude is too extreme. Comp has always had Comp and is built to support that in its culture. Although players in Training have gotten better, there's been a huge rise in sketchy behavior in the round, namely people cheating and throwing for against others. We don't need double the work. Mods volunteer their own time to do reports. I help run a team. I don't need more work to do.
Some of the throws are tough to detect and are meta-based, and possibly done intentionally. Grey area reports are difficult and come up a lot in the round.
You can compete in Comp Lobby Comp if you try to do so. You have to be willing to jump into Comp if you really want to improve.
bronto, I know...before the reset I was like 4th or 5th, but that's not my problem. I'm not saying I want Training Comp back because I can't do anything in Comp comp.
The thing is Training is NOT a giant pointfarming lobby.... you can't point farm in Classic or Fancy (can a bit with Coco's, not even that much, if maf is good) and the Round was HELPING training players to improve.
Now, 15 mods is not enough to have 2-3 people on Training Comp cheating? I don't think that's the/a problem. And if it's that one, you can recruit more (from training if you want) just for that. So, again, where's the problem? If you keep getting reports that runners tried to GT agains each other, then give them a VIO for GT. And they'll throw less (or get another vio, and so on).
I still see as "only problem" of Training Comp this one: "not enough mod to keep up with the reports". Solution to that problem: recruit more
Cheating is a problem also outside of Training, why would then only Training Comp be taken off? If the problem is "Cheaters", make so that people can only play unranked and nobody will cheat anymore. SOLVED.
Training kinda is a giant pointfarming lobby. I keep getting reports that throughout the entire round that runners were trying to throw against each other and doing a poor job of hiding it. The round brings out bad behavior and we already have Comp Lobby for that.
Guy, you're my mentee, I know you're a good enough player to compete in Comp Lobby. Training Round causes more problems than it's worth. I'm sorry that people throw and cheat, but there isn't enough manpower to support moderating two rounds.
Extra points for "a couple of setups"...and you think that will solve everything? lol
People doesn't play for points, or Training would be a giant pointfarming. People played in Training Comp because of the prize: the trophy. AND that helped to improve their gameplay.
"A couple of setups" paying more points won't change a thing. It will still be Fancy + Coco's all the time. Trust me
edit: also, since it's not going to Train at all, and you just want more people in Comp, you could just totally delete Training... (it's an extreme joke, in case somebody quotes this seriously later)
