deletedabout 13 years

I would post the game in question but the suspension doesn't allow me to enter games and check which one.

There are a few issues. In game I told everyone why I would not out my reports. During D1 everyone was set on lynching my fake ccs guilty. My innocent may have very well have aided mafia more than aided town as giving them an additional wifom option to utilize as they saw fit. I asked clearly why I should out it and the reasons given were to me, unpersuasive and unsubstantial. I was open to discuss it further but no one else was. This is more of an impatient intolerance on the towns part than anything else. It may be said, however, that this represent incompetence on my part and due to the progression of the game, specifically me getting lynched and the fake cc living it was. Incompetence is not a punishable offense. It is an implicit part of who gets assigned cop. Some are good and agreeable and some are not. Just as you could not justly punish a person who plays their first ranked game and doesnt out their cop report out of noobishness and you would not punish a semi-experienced player for, let's say, faking guilty on townie who had bad reaction and not outing the innocent because the reaction was sufficiently guilty to him, you cannot punish an experienced player like myself for analyzing the mechanics of the set up and judging it unfavorable out reports.

There was also a greater point I was trying to make. I have found in my experience of playing EM that people players which consider themselves to be skilled develop biases. These biases can manifest in many ways but what is of concern here are the types which make players jump to a conclusion of auto-mafia. I have found not outing reports as cop is one of them. Players have become hyper-sensitive to it. Even the timing of a report seems to have some intrinsic weight in determining the mafia/town. This is in my view erroneous. It allows for one of the most counter-productive mind sets, what I call (for lack of a better term) “event over trend” mindset. This occurs when player(s) finds a singular occurrence so utterly convincing they ignore all other events in the game and focus on it only. It is almost like unintentional, event aimed tunneling. This is the principle part I was standing on. I do not indulge in towns counter-productive practices. I presented that principle and doing so actually reinforced their bias and got me lynched with more enthusiasm. Not a single player made any comment to suggest that the outing of reports would make me look more cop like, they simply wanted it as safety precaution in case I was cop they would have something. I believe this behavior harms the EM community and the quality of games on EM and thus I rebel against it. I hope but doubt that the players will think twice about judging so quickly.

There is another problem and that is the problem of freedom and rules. To my knowledge, there are no rules which mandate a pr to out a report under any circumstances. Because of this, it falls in the realm of player discretion (as it ought). Because of this to punish me is really an attempt at a certain type of censorship, a censorship against play styles. If it is conception and desire of the PR it must be dealt with it lest it can be proven to be intentionally malicious. This is also distinguished from trolling which would be doing so for no reason at all. This case was not a troll nor an act of malice but my way of playing in response to the game itself, concerns for the community and the set up itself. I was going to be lynched either way and my reports were going to be doubted and largely discredited due to the Guisers. It would have put town in a relatively identical situation. It may have been frustrating for town but that is irrelevant. For these reasons I believe my case deserves no punishment.

deletedabout 13 years
Leo, I actually had a read on you from d1 as town.
The refusal of outting reports made uyou a little obvious, d2 I got lazy and the bus just made me want to lynch you anyway and your refusal was really stupid at that point.
You wouldn't even tell the graveyard your cop reports because you didn't trust Fading, seriously wtf man?
You really weren't thinking for the benefit of town day 2, your stubborness got you voted.
about 13 years
Claiming ignorance is not an excuse and never has been. Take it to training if you have to learn or sandbox if you want to try new things out.
about 13 years
Yeah, its not like he was malicious. You can't suspend people for being stupid and/or trying new things.
about 13 years
While I think Leo was kind of stupid here, I'm just not sure this deserves a suspension. In the last few days, I have seen the Mods starting to lean towards suspending people for playing outside the expected script. I'm not sure this is a good thing. The community tends to deal with this by just lynching the player, making it less likely he will do this again. Except for when it works, in which case a better/fresher strategy is born...
about 13 years
Ok I read through the entire game and here are my views:
-Leonardo in his explanation above seems to be forming a view of the human mind and average player according to flawed logic imo.
-The town didn't vote you d2 because you didn't out your reports it was because your cc bussed his partner d1 making him look more realistic then you.
-You refused to out your reports EVEN after the knowledge that you wouldn't be able to sway the town from the lynch and therefor chose to leave the town out of select information.
-You wanted the town to learn for their actions and you were willing to "take the fall" in a hope that some people "learn" that the reason you thought they were lynching you was philosophically wrong.

Basically, I support the action done. Your appeal lies heavily on the fact that you were lynched BECAUSE you didn't out reports d1. Which was the smallest factor compared to the bussing.
deletedabout 13 years
I'm at work, but will be back home in about 1 hour and 30 minutes from now, so sorry for not reading everything as of yet, I most certainly will when I get back and manage to sit down comfortably.

According to the moderator actions, Germ suspended you for "refus[ing] to out reports as cop and keeping town from getting a blue cleared", with http://www.epicmafia.com/game/43766 being the game in question. Without sounding too sided at this stage since I've yet to take a look at everything, Germs reasoning seems perfectly understandable.

I take it you were trying to test something new, or test the community in terms of reactions and actions. Seeing as the game got a suspension, I assume this means you tried it in a competative game, which is pretty much a big no no. If you're playing town, trying mentality tests isn't really assisting them.

I havn't got too much time for a debate on this earlier, just acknowledging it at this stage, although so far it seems your argument appears to be of a scientific approach. I'll be back on in 2 hours to read and examine fully.
about 13 years
u deserve it