BEFORE WE BEGIN, WE MUST EXPLORE WHY THIS IS AN IMPORTANT ISSUE.
THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN MODS AND THE COMMUNITY IS ONE BUILT UPON TRUST. - MUCH LIKE POLICE OFFICERS AND THE COMMUNITIES THEY ARE TASKED WITH KEEPING SAFE, THERE NEEDS TO BE A CERTAIN LEVEL OF MUTUAL TRUST BETWEEN THE TWO PARTIES.
THE COMMUNITY IS HOSTILE TOWARDS THE MODS. TYING IN WITH #1, THE COMMUNITY IS LARGELY HOSTILE TOWARDS THE MOD TEAM AS A WHOLE. THIS IS MOSTLY DUE TO THE ABUSES OF THE PREVIOUS MOD TEAM, AND REFLECTS UNFAIRLY ON MOST OF THE CURRENT MODS AS A WHOLE. HOWEVER THIS SIMPLY UNDERLINES HOW IMPORTANT IT IS TO RE-ESTABLISH LOST TRUST.
THE COMMUNITY RELIES ON MODERATORS TO BE IMPARTIAL, FAIR, AND TO UPHOLD THE RULES TO THE BEST OF THEIR ABILITIES. THIS IS ALREADY DIFFICULT TO DO WHEN YOU DON'T HAVE THE TRUST OF THE COMMUNITY. REGARDLESS, THE COMMUNITY RELIES ON THE MOD TEAM TO FACILITATE A POSITIVE ENVIRONMENT FOR ALL. THE REASON PEOPLE CHOOSE TO LEAVE COMMUNITIES IS WHEN THE PEOPLE TASKED WITH PROTECTING THOSE COMMUNITIES ARE THE ONES WHO MAKE IT TOXIC.
WE HAVE ALL SEEN THE RECENT BACKLASH AGAINST POLICE OFFICERS WHO ABUSE THEIR POWER BECAUSE THEY NEED NOT ANSWER FOR IT. THIS IS A STANDARD WE NEED TO AVOID.
SO WHY SHOULD WE DEMOD ANNAJANE AND SIMPLYPAM?
ASIDE FROM THE FACTS LINKED AT THE TOP OF THE OP, LET'S REVIEW THE FACTS.
IT HAS BEEN CLEARLY ESTABLISHED BEYOND A SHADOW OF A DOUBT THAT ANNAJANE AND SIMPLY PAM HAVE BEEN CAUGHT ABUSING THEIR MOD POWER. HOWEVER, THIS ISN'T REASON ENOUGH TO DEMOD SOMEONE. SOMETIMES MODS MAKE MISTAKES, EVERYONE LOSES THEIR COOL AT ONE POINT OR ANOTHER. THEN WHY IS WALRUS ADVOCATING FOR THE DEMODDING OF THESE TWO CORRUPT MODS?
ANNAJANE AND SIMPLYPAM HAVE BEEN CAUGHT COLLUDING TO GIVE VIOLATIONS TO PEOPLE THEY DON'T LIKE. - PROVED IN THE THREAD LINKED AT THE TOP. THIS IS EXTREMELY PROBLEMATIC, AS IT IS AKIN TO A POLICE OFFICER ARRESTING A PERSON THEY DON'T LIKE ON A BOGUS CHARGE, AND A JUDGE COLLUDING WITH THAT POLICE OFFICER TO GIVE THEM THAT VIOLATION. THIS IS DOWNRIGHT DISGUSTING; IT BETRAYS THE TRUST THE COMMUNITY HAS IN THE MOD TEAM, AND DESTROYS THE CREDIBILITY OF THE REPORTS THESE SPECIFIC MODERATORS HANDLE AND THE VERDICTS OF THE MODERATOR TEAM HANDLES IN GENERAL.
WE NEED TO SET AN EXAMPLE AND A STANDARD. SIMPLY GIVING PAM AND ANNAJANE A SLAP ON THE WRIST SERVES ONLY TO FURTHER ALIENATE THE MOD TEAM FROM THE COMMUNITY. THE COMMUNITY NEEDS TO BE SENT A SIGNAL THAT THEY HAVE THE COMMUNITY'S BEST INTERESTS AT HEART, AND PEOPLE WHO THREATEN TO UNDERMINE THAT COMMUNITY WILL NOT BE TOLERATED. WORDS NEED TO BE BACKED BY ACTIONS.
ALLOWING PAM AND ANNA TO WALK AWAY SCOTT FREE SETS A BAD PRECEDENT FOR WHAT IS ACCEPTABLE. EVEN IF THEY "GET A WARNING", THEY HAVEN'T SUFFERED ANY TANGIBLE CONSEQUENCES. THEY DON'T CARE, AND THEY GET THE SMUG SATISFACTION THAT THEY GOT TO ABUSE THEIR POWER ON SOMEONE THEY DIDN'T LIKE. FURTHERMORE, IF WALRUS HADN'T RAISED A CRAPSTORM, WE HAVE NO GUARANTEE THAT THEY WOULD HAVE EVEN BEEN CAUGHT. WE'VE SEEN COUNTLESS EXAMPLES OF MODS GETTING AWAY WITH ABUSING THEIR POWER IN THE PAST.
WE THE COMMUNITY SIMPLY CANNOT STAND FOR THIS TYPE OF ABUSE TO WALK AWAY SCOTT FREE. WE HAVE EMPIRICAL EXAMPLES OF COMMUNITIES DYING BECAUSE THOSE ESTABLISHED IN POWER PLACED THEMSELVES ABOVE THE RULES WHICH THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO ENFORCE. PAM AND ANNA MUST BE DEMODDED FOR THE MOD TEAM TO RESTORE ANY SEMBLANCE OF LEGITIMACY TO ITS NAME AND THE RULES WHICH IT GOVERNS.
F R E E | E P I C | M A F I A
deletedabout 8 years
You're honestly annoying and you don't deserve to get answered in a professional way at least from me.
i'm going to lock this. if anybody wants to actually talk about mod professionalism and transparency that isn't under the guise of a mass beheading of mods, i would be more than happy to participate in that conversation because i think it's an important one to have. walrus, don't make a new thread, you've had enough already.
"YOU ARE ANTAGONIZING ME BECAUSE I DON'T LIKE YOU" IS NOT A VALID EXCUSE.
IN FACT, YOU ANTAGONIZED ME BY PREVENTING ME FROM PLAYING IN A COMP GAME. REGARDLESS OF WHETHER OR NOT YOU BELIEVE YOUR DISGUSTING ACTIONS WERE JUSTIFIED, THAT'S NOT THE POINT OF THIS THREAD.
DON'T FLATTER YOURSELF PAM. I WAS SIMPLY TRYING TO PLAY MY COMP GAME. THE ONLY PERSON WHO WOULD FOLLOW YOU IS YOUR CORRUPT MOD FRIENDS AND YOUR CRONIES.
THE POINT OF THIS THREAD IS TO HIGHLIGHT HOW FAR YOU TOOK YOUR PERVERSION OF JUSTICE - SO FAR THAT YOU COLLUDED WITH ANOTHER MOD TO BETRAY THE TRUST OF THE COMMUNITY BY FABRICATING A VIOLATION WITH ANOTHER MOD, SIMPLY BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T LIKE THAT PERSON.
THAT IS DOWNRIGHT DISGUSTING AND YOU SHOULD BE DEMODDED, AS ADDRESSED IN THE OP.
you're interrupting my discussion with somebody else just to antagonize me. please leave me alone, i want to have this discussion with denial because i think it can be a very helpful conversation to have. thank you (:
ITT: babies being responded to seriously, I'd lock the thread tbh
deletedabout 8 years
We were in the wrong kicking you from the game, I will admit to that. I do believe you deserve your Lobby Camp violation because we did remake about 6 times and told you we didn't want to play with you but you kept joining to get a reaction from us (Which you got it and it was impulsive and we're sorry we kicked you) Anyways, I disagree on your violation getting overturned cause that's what you were exactly doing. You know how I feel about you and if I leave a game about six times to not play with you WHY DO YOU KEEP FOLLOWING ME. The rules say to antagonize other players and you KNOW that's exactly what you were doing.
also as far as the volunteer thing goes, mods do their best to help people, but you have to help them help you.
a few weeks ago i was taking my dog to get groomed, and there was this incredibly rude lady yelling at the owner because of the way he grabbed her dog. she was saying how she would write a bad review, how she could do a better job herself because she was a certified dog groomer, and all of this bs. the owner of the store kicked her out and told her to never come back because of how rude she was.
i like to think moderating epicmafia is like that.
yeah im not really defending him at all btw, but was responding more to sims. i've seen this view come up multiples times (from multiple moderators) and i don't agree with it
like edark said, wildwalrus already got a serious response in the first topic he made about this. it got locked because the situation was handled and the rest was handled internally by the admins. the mods who were involved already did their job and they have no real reason to respond anymore.
WHETHER OR NOT YOU PERCEIVE SOMEONE TO BE RUDE OR NOT, YOU HAVE A DUTY TO UPHOLD THE RULES OF THE SITE AND TO TAKE THREATS AGAINST THE COMMUNITY AND THE RULES WHICH GOVERN IT SERIOUSLY.
YOU CAN'T JUST SELECTIVELY CHOOSE WHAT AND WHAT YOU DON'T WANT TO ENFORCE BECAUSE "OH I THINK THAT GUY IS RUDE".
LAST TIME WALRUS DID THAT, HE WAS IGNORED. BUT REGARDLESS OF WHETHER OR NOT SOMEONE MAKES A COMPLAINT IN ALL CAPS, THE VALIDITY OF THEIR STATEMENTS DOES NOT CHANGE.
TWO PLUS TWO = FOUR IN GERMAN, RUSSIAN, ENGLISH, OR CAPSLOCK.
deletedabout 8 years
I've always kept my cool when dealing with complaint threads and always try to be professional (Other threads can certify that).
I'm not going to handle this the way I handle other things when I feel like I'm being trolled.
PAM AND ANNAJANE SHOULD BE DEMODDED
