I think that abc deep down is a good guy that just wants to play Epic mafia in peace. He has been horribly mistreated over the years so now he is just trying to annoy everyone.
Like I think that he would behave for someone like me, because I would ensure that he was actually treated fairly
I can give an example from years ago. He got like a gt vio or something and it was totally wrong. I confronted the mod on it at the time and they basically said that he throws all the time, and even though it was no vio, they were giving him a vio to try to get rid of him. When people are treated this way, they mistrust the system and act out.
If he was given a completely new chance and people treated him with respect and fairly, I do not think he would act out. From my talks with him, I think that this is true
Demands of abc/mods
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We think that the mods should treat abc fairly and give him a new chance with no strings attached. ABC in response should be a model clean player on the site that does not throw or ruin games.
once you hit mid 20's you cant use the argument that he has grown out of it. harassment is harassment and some people havent learned from it and same with OPI :)
im gonna be over dramatic ab this but think about it. there are people incarcerated for murder and some f.uckhead decides they are gonna release them on good behavior but then they go and kill someone again, that argument of oh well people change!!! does not work with those type of things.
if he really cared to change he wouldn't come back being a sh.ithead about certain users he dislikes. anyways next.
ABC was a banned user long before the 10 years I've been with this site. It's telling that you think this is a mod issue when there have only been mods for 8 of this site's 11 years.
Even when he got unbanned or had a leash, he'd just use it to test the patience of whomever wasn't banning him. If you're getting banned for game violations it's what you want no matter what fantasies you tell yourself.
and honestly answer this, what harm is it to really give him and every banned player an actual fair and new chance again here?
he is still on this site either way, but in one case he actually might straighten up and become a model player? If he does not then that is on him and he just will get banned again!
you have nothing to lose with this beyond your pride and your drama source.
I think that the real problem is that you do want the drama and you want everyone to hate him. if he came back as a legit account, people might start liking him and question why he was ever banned and they would see that a lot of this was made up by the mod team itself..
he is a banned user merely because of the mods and their treatment of him. they unbanned him once in my whole time here and they admitted to at the time vio farming him off again
people should not listen to all the crap that they hear. most of it is wrong. Make an informed decision yourself.
Do you even know abc?
people pass around a bunch of crap about people here and then the community tries to push that person out without any knowledge of that person.
this happened to me here. I was site banned so I could not defend myself here while the mods started drama and slandered my name to turn people against me.
people in games do not really mind me though and I do okay otherwise.
people in my case just do not like my drama in forums but this is really caused by mods starting a bunch of drama with me before this happens....
The story is never what you here.
I honestly think that most banned players would come back and be good citizens if given the chance but the mod circle group loves the drama so they keep them banned and attack these players to get their drama fixed.
"don't remember why I started throwing but i regret all of it"
"all the cheating and harassment i regret it all"
I think he would stop. The real issue here is that the mod team wants his drama and will not let him come back as a normal player with full rights that he deserves. you are a drama hog and you will not ever drop the drama
and sorry abc for outing that quote but it shows what the real problem is here. Everyone makes mistakes but they should not be punished for months and even years for this
we all know men grow up slower. a lot can happen in 5 years or more that he was banned.
Also you never gave him a fair chance here, since I was here.
i think that most people in that case, if they really wanted to play, would behave if given a chance to come back and was not harassed by the mod team like he often was
this shows a convo with me and a mod about a vio he got when he was last unbanned.
basically he was doc and claimed cop and led the game to try to win. he got a gt vio for fake claiming cop as doc. It was not gting and was in fact a good play for the doc to live to the next day.
they got a gt vio basically cause they thought that he was trolling on that account and wanted him banned
You are right that I was not here when he was banned and I have no idea what he did. From what I heard, he was a teenager then and that was years ago. people change and you do not ban them for years and harass them like you have.
I was around when this instance with the kids happened and honestly I think you guys started it. you vio farmed him so he did throw.
yes he did a lot of bad stuff but if he agrees to behave, you should give him a completely new chance
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You don't have a freaking clue.
He has OPI'd people, threatened people, sexually harassed females and not to mention that he openly flirts with Krista and she's like 14 years old. Besides all of that, you weren't around when he was first banned, and you have no clue as to why he was in the first place or wha he did during that ban you just wanted a reason to make a useless thread. And just an FYI when he threatened to kill my children it was because I banned him for cheating which he did and is known for. Do you even think or do any research before you write threads?
Hey everyone, go ahead dox and out peoples personal information and all of the rest above because no matter how much of a disgusting individual that makes you, Jen here will say you're a good person anyway.
Perma-ban is enacted for rednose and abc123 and all accounts they try to play on. There is no forgiveness, just stop using this site before you get life high-jack-hacked and yes there are users who are working on that right now, that is all I am saying about it, whether or not they are successful will be something you will have to figure out how to deal with irl, the great thing is I didn't have to do anything, you did it all yourself man, you should just leave and never come back. Others should be added to the perma-banned list for hacking the site.
also i talked about my case too. It was a special situation since I was banned for being severely depressed, but again I had no vios leading to a ban, no ban date, and I could not even contact anyone on this site to ask if I could get unbanned without getting a bypassing vio
this system is broke and unfair and this leads to the problems that we see with people like abc
this in theory is the case but it is not true. one admin gave abc a chance to come back and he played cleanly then most of the time but he was still getting harassed by some mods that did not want him on the site. he was vio farmed to 8 vios and banned since I think. He probably deserved less than 1/2 those vios though. I told you that I even argued with the mods about some at the time before he was banned and they basically said that he is a gt acct and shouldnt have been banned and they were going to vio farm him to 8...
Dude he never got a fair ban? he was here and the mods vio farmed him off then but he should never have been banned again
The site ban stuff now is really pathetic. I was banned with no rule broken too and no end date but I was expected to just stay off for an infinite time without even making accounts to ask the admin when I can get unbanned?
literally i would make an account and play 5 games to write denial and tell him that I am emotionally better (was banned for being very depressed) and can I come back and he would just instant site ban the account and give me a bypassing vio and i would make another account and do it again. That is not right and that can push people to the end. I even thought about becoming a gt account myself because of this
It is an issue that has everyone's attention and is being worked on.
The site/lobby ban system, however does allow for second chances. Plenty in fact. If you break the rules enough (mind you, 8 seperate violation or 3-5 of the same one over the span of 3 months is quite hard to get if you are actively trying to obey the rules and just slip up every now and then) you get punished by restricted access for 3 months. After the time passes, you get your 2nd chance. Over. And over. And over. Continuing to break rules after being suspended for multiple rule-breaking over and over is what gets one site banned. Perma-banned users are perma-banned for a reason. It's not one sign of anarchism and bam - hit with the banhammer. The vio-system allows for multiple warnings, heads ups and progression.
this site is dead now. If you make new accounts though as a noob and mess up you will likely get banned as abc though. Hence we get no new players. the old players leave because of him and this site is just crap now and we have a dead site
I was like vio farmed when I was a noob 4 years ago because a mod was sure i was abc. This has been a problem for years and we have lost 1000s of new players for this reason.
This current system of fear targeting abc and banning everyone and having him act this way is clearly not working on this site. this has been going on for probably more than 5 years now, and its is clearly not working. they need to try something new
It is common knowledge that if I child misbehaves, it is better to reinforce the good behaviors and not punish the bad. this is the only way to make changes permanently. punishing him is just making him act out more. it also give him a lot of attention.
Give him a new chance with no conditions beyond he plays cleanly and leave him alone and I think the situation will resolve itself
