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Pro Lifer Punched

SnowPuppy
over 5 years

A Pro-Life man was punched while trying to say babies in front of Planned Parenthood.

Video in link below:

https://www.liveaction.org/news/pro-life-assaulted-abortion-facility/?utm_content=83151986&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&hss_channel=tw-18001922

NYC also recently passed a law allowing abortion up until birth. Is a baby 1 minute before birth less human then 1 minute after?

When should it be considered murder to kill a human?
19
After 2 years old (Peter Singer)
13
Conception
11
Can feel pain (18-19 weeks)
1
Brain Waves Detected (42 days)
0
Heartbeat (18 days old)
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DonnieDarko says


Thundurus says


DonnieDarko says


Thundurus says


DonnieDarko says


Thundurus says

Its sad that there are people who don't accept that a woman should have the right to choose whether or not they wish to have a child.


by "have a child", do you mean "give birth to a child"?


Yes.


it is sad to you that some people don't believe that a woman should have the right to choose whether someone lives or dies?


Abortion in general is always sad.

I think that contextualizing my argument in terms of someone choosing the life or death of someone else is wrong.

I think that ultimately the woman makes the decision as it affects her more then any man can imagine


I agree with you to a point. but you don't believe its ending a life. so why would it be sad?


No one wants to get an abortion, Its never a happy occasion.
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SnowPuppy says


Thundurus says

Again saying statements without evidence is not an argument.... Its just a baseless claim


Ok, let's start simple then.

I exist. Right?


The passive agressive tone withstanding... Yeah you exist.

Im taking about your previous statement with regards to how abortion is less safe then childbirth. I quoted a study from the government source that states otherwise and I just asked for you to use the same competent sourcing.
DonnieDarko
over 5 years

Thundurus says


DonnieDarko says


Thundurus says


DonnieDarko says


Thundurus says

Its sad that there are people who don't accept that a woman should have the right to choose whether or not they wish to have a child.


by "have a child", do you mean "give birth to a child"?


Yes.


it is sad to you that some people don't believe that a woman should have the right to choose whether someone lives or dies?


Abortion in general is always sad.

I think that contextualizing my argument in terms of someone choosing the life or death of someone else is wrong.

I think that ultimately the woman makes the decision as it affects her more then any man can imagine


I agree with you to a point. but you don't believe its ending a life. so why would it be sad?
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DonnieDarko says


Thundurus says


DonnieDarko says


Thundurus says

Its sad that there are people who don't accept that a woman should have the right to choose whether or not they wish to have a child.


by "have a child", do you mean "give birth to a child"?


Yes.


it is sad to you that some people don't believe that a woman should have the right to choose whether someone lives or dies?


Abortion in general is always sad.

I think that contextualizing my argument in terms of someone choosing the life or death of someone else is wrong.

I think that ultimately the woman makes the decision as it affects her more then any man can imagine
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cowgirl says

yeah because all women choose to get pregnant ok dude


Yeah because all women are given a choice on when to abort their unborn child ok dude. Don't even try to play the "R*pe" card here because only 5 fcking % of cases result in the woman conceiving. Jesus is it really hard to understand that if you want to get an abortion you should do it. Bc you know in reality its not like killing a clump of cells, or slaughtering an animal for food. No, at this point in time it's a human being sweetheart. The youngest baby born in the US was 22 weeks old. Get your information straight before trying to talk back lady
DonnieDarko
over 5 years

voisu says

this thread should be locked tbh its nasty seeing these ppl come out of the woodwork and argue that abortion is murder

women have the right to a choice, not men, not anyone else


why is it "nasty" that people have a different opinion than you? why should the conversation be forcibly stopped? weirdly authoritarian.
SnowPuppy
over 5 years

Thundurus says

Again saying statements without evidence is not an argument.... Its just a baseless claim


Ok, let's start simple then.

I exist. Right?
DonnieDarko
over 5 years

Thundurus says


DonnieDarko says


Thundurus says

Its sad that there are people who don't accept that a woman should have the right to choose whether or not they wish to have a child.


by "have a child", do you mean "give birth to a child"?


Yes.


it is sad to you that some people don't believe that a woman should have the right to choose whether someone lives or dies?
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voisu says

this thread should be locked tbh its nasty seeing these ppl come out of the woodwork and argue that abortion is murder

women have the right to a choice, not men, not anyone else


Totally agreed.
voisu
over 5 years
this thread should be locked tbh its nasty seeing these ppl come out of the woodwork and argue that abortion is murder

women have the right to a choice, not men, not anyone else
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DonnieDarko says


Thundurus says

Its sad that there are people who don't accept that a woman should have the right to choose whether or not they wish to have a child.


by "have a child", do you mean "give birth to a child"?


Yes.
DonnieDarko
over 5 years

Thundurus says

Its sad that there are people who don't accept that a woman should have the right to choose whether or not they wish to have a child.


by "have a child", do you mean "give birth to a child"?
SnowPuppy
over 5 years

illuminati says

??? Do you consider it murder if you swat an insect


No
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SnowPuppy says


Thundurus says

Using religion to justify your argument is dangerous.


All beliefs begin with axioms.

For example materialism assumes that all that exist's is the physical world.
i.e things we can see, feel, taste, smell, touch.

This excludes the possibility of freewill existing.

I believe that something can't come from nothing.
Intelligence doesn't come from unintelligence.
Life doens't come from non-life.
Order doesn't come from chaos.

All around us is evidence of design.
Design points to a designer.

Genetic code points towards a coder.


Again saying statements without evidence is not an argument.... Its just a baseless claim
DonnieDarko
over 5 years

illuminati says

Woaw I don't think it's wise to make any further posts in this thread I don't think Linke has his eyes open while typing


this isn't a productive or meaningful contribution.
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Snowpuppy - If you are going to use sources they need to be credible otherwise don't waste peoples time anyone can write an opinion article and post it on the internet in a few minutes
SnowPuppy
over 5 years

Thundurus says

Using religion to justify your argument is dangerous.


All beliefs begin with axioms.

For example materialism assumes that all that exist's is the physical world.
i.e things we can see, feel, taste, smell, touch.

This excludes the possibility of freewill existing.

I believe that something can't come from nothing.
Intelligence doesn't come from unintelligence.
Life doens't come from non-life.
Order doesn't come from chaos.

All around us is evidence of design.
Design points to a designer.

Genetic code points towards a coder.
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Linke says

Men more frequently have to work to support the child. Should men have the right to call for an abortion for child?


To address the first part of your statement, we live in a society (US) in which men are sadly still considered the breadwinners. I think its instilled in people from a young age that woman have a "Maternal Instinct" when that is not true in any regards.

The second part of your statement, i refer to my previous statement in which pregnancy has a larger affect on woman then men.
Linke
over 5 years

Thundurus says

Perhaps, but having a child is still a huge burden on the mother regardless, as she is going to have to give up significant time in her job and career


No ones arguing against protection... yet.
illuminati
over 5 years
Very illuminating discussion nontheless.
illuminati
over 5 years
Woaw I don't think it's wise to make any further posts in this thread I don't think Linke has his eyes open while typing
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SnowPuppy says


Thundurus says

I don't think there is a point in which as a man I have the right to decide, because a child doesn't affect my life in the same way it affects a woman's life.


But if the mother doesn't want the child the father could care for him/her?


Perhaps, but having a child is still a huge burden on the mother regardless, as she is going to have to give up significant time in her job and career
Linke
over 5 years
Men more frequently have to work to support the child. Should men have the right to call for an abortion for child?
Linke
over 5 years
Swatting at insects isn’t murder because murder means humans.

But if i say that killing insects = murdering fetuses, a “women have right to their body” would say fair call, because potential for developent is apparently meaningless.
SnowPuppy
over 5 years

Thundurus says

I don't think there is a point in which as a man I have the right to decide, because a child doesn't affect my life in the same way it affects a woman's life.


But if the mother doesn't want the child the father could care for him/her?