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Pro Lifer Punched

almost 6 years

A Pro-Life man was punched while trying to say babies in front of Planned Parenthood.

Video in link below:

https://www.liveaction.org/news/pro-life-assaulted-abortion-facility/?utm_content=83151986&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&hss_channel=tw-18001922

NYC also recently passed a law allowing abortion up until birth. Is a baby 1 minute before birth less human then 1 minute after?

When should it be considered murder to kill a human?

SnowPuppy

almost 6 years

Time began when time went from 0 to 1

Linke

almost 6 years

So time must be eternal then. Otherwise when did time begin?

deletedalmost 6 years

I really do struggle to see why the F*CK it's so hard to get

A woman, lets say, a **pe victim, gets the abortion right. It was not going to be good for her health, and she couldn't support it as she wouldn't know what to do. It wasn't her fault

And look, i could delve sooooo long into why it's just immature and wrong in general to get pregnant, and just kill a baby for their benefit, but at the end of the day.

It's wrong to kill a human being that can feel pain, and think

SnowPuppy

almost 6 years

Well time began, because if we had an infinite regress we would never arrive at the present "time".

Linke

almost 6 years

Pre-time is an oxymoron... or at least it looks like one to me.

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DonnieDarko says

Thundurus says

DonnieDarko says

VanityPrime says

Thundurus says

I think that ultimately the woman makes the decision as it affects her more then any man can imagine

Look, either abortion is removing a nest of unwanted cells, which case getting rid of it is a simple medical operation like an appendicitis, or it's the unjustified killing of an innocent.

Calling it "sad" within the context of your argument is irrelevant and meaningless, it cares no weight other then virtual signaling.

The entire reason why people hold the pro-life position in the first place isn't that they don't value the body autonomy of the woman, but they don't believe that ownership of ones body is a sufficient justification for killing a potential person.

This is why this debate can't be resolved is because most people talk past each other without actually considering the actual argument, it's just emotional virtual signaling clothed in apologetics on both sides.

P.S before you ask, I'm not "taking a side" it's just your argument is extremely weak and I don't think you've thought it through as carefully as you think you have.

very well said.

Honestly as a man, Ive never really considered it my choice whether or not a woman chooses to get an abortion, that should never be a man's place to decide.

so if you feel that because you have a p e n i s that you are not allowed to have an opinion on this topic, why are you still in the thread or even reading it? you believe you should be removed from this discussion, so remove yourself.

edit: nevermind, you did.

For the record the reason i joined the conversation in the first place is because I wanted to share my opinion because I think its important to share your opinion on topics like this.

As VanityPrime pointed out this conversation is going to loop forever because neither side is going to change their opinion.

DonnieDarko

almost 6 years

Moldyches says

voisu says

men dont have control over womens bodies or how they choose to live their lives, f*ck off with your sexist "well what would the father think?" bullsh*t

Yeah and lets leave the women to chose to kill a child that could just as easily thrive in foster care. No volsu how SELFISH of me and how SEXIST that i am to consider the unborn childs life rather than "what the woman wants"

Because at the end of the day, I'm just a male, right?

Who's sexist now

she doesn't believe that it is killing a child, so you're argument is meaningless. you two are arguing about nothing because you are on completely different foundations, just as VanityPrime said.

VanityPrime

almost 6 years

Thundurus says

Honestly as a man, Ive never really considered it my choice whether or not a woman chooses to get an abortion, that should never be a man's place to decide.

You realize the presupposition caked into your argument completely ignores the actual subject matter of why Pro-Life people hold the position that they do.

If you can justify why bodily autonomy outweighs the life of a potential person, that would be a start.

deletedalmost 6 years

Sexism like Racism, requires Prejudice + Power in society.

Women do not have power over men in society and there are countless statistics that prove that statement.

Linke

almost 6 years

Voisu do you support financial abortion by the father?

deletedalmost 6 years

voisu says

men dont have control over womens bodies or how they choose to live their lives, f*ck off with your sexist "well what would the father think?" bullsh*t

Yeah and lets leave the women to chose to kill a child that could just as easily thrive in foster care. No volsu how SELFISH of me and how SEXIST that i am to consider the unborn childs life rather than "what the woman wants"

Because at the end of the day, I'm just a male, right?

Who's sexist now

DonnieDarko

almost 6 years

Thundurus says

DonnieDarko says

VanityPrime says

Thundurus says

Abortion in general is always sad.

I think that contextualizing my argument in terms of someone choosing the life or death of someone else is wrong.

I think that ultimately the woman makes the decision as it affects her more then any man can imagine

Look, either abortion is removing a nest of unwanted cells, which case getting rid of it is a simple medical operation like an appendicitis, or it's the unjustified killing of an innocent.

Calling it "sad" within the context of your argument is irrelevant and meaningless, it cares no weight other then virtual signaling.

The entire reason why people hold the pro-life position in the first place isn't that they don't value the body autonomy of the woman, but they don't believe that ownership of ones body is a sufficient justification for killing a potential person.

This is why this debate can't be resolved is because most people talk past each other without actually considering the actual argument, it's just emotional virtual signaling clothed in apologetics on both sides.

P.S before you ask, I'm not "taking a side" it's just your argument is extremely weak and I don't think you've thought it through as carefully as you think you have.

very well said.

Honestly as a man, Ive never really considered it my choice whether or not a woman chooses to get an abortion, that should never be a man's place to decide.

so if you feel that because you have a p e n i s that you are not allowed to have an opinion on this topic, why are you still in the thread or even reading it? you believe you should be removed from this discussion, so remove yourself.

edit: nevermind, you did.

SnowPuppy

almost 6 years

Linke says

That’s why we are in “Off-Topic” forum.
Snow Puppy you can’t pre-exist time :p that’s a paradox.

If God is eternal then I’m gonna argue that the universe was eternal.

The universe can't be eternal, because we have evidence it began. The big bang, and expansion of the universe.

Many scientists have tried to prove the universe is eternal and couldn't do it.

How do you know nothing can pre-exist time.

deletedalmost 6 years

Y'all have a good evening. It is 2 am here and I need to sleep.

deletedalmost 6 years

Im leaving this conversation, I dont find it productive or conducive to the atmosphere of this site.

DonnieDarko

almost 6 years

voisu says

men dont have control over womens bodies or how they choose to live their lives, f*ck off with your sexist "well what would the father think?" bullsh*t

i can kill my neighbor if I want. no one has control over how i choose to live my life

edit: he believes that this "choice" you are speaking of is killing a baby, so you're argument is meaningless. you two are arguing about nothing because you are on completely different foundations, just as VanityPrime said.

deletedalmost 6 years

DonnieDarko says

VanityPrime says

Thundurus says

Abortion in general is always sad.

I think that contextualizing my argument in terms of someone choosing the life or death of someone else is wrong.

I think that ultimately the woman makes the decision as it affects her more then any man can imagine

Look, either abortion is removing a nest of unwanted cells, which case getting rid of it is a simple medical operation like an appendicitis, or it's the unjustified killing of an innocent.

Calling it "sad" within the context of your argument is irrelevant and meaningless, it cares no weight other then virtual signaling.

The entire reason why people hold the pro-life position in the first place isn't that they don't value the body autonomy of the woman, but they don't believe that ownership of ones body is a sufficient justification for killing a potential person.

This is why this debate can't be resolved is because most people talk past each other without actually considering the actual argument, it's just emotional virtual signaling clothed in apologetics on both sides.

P.S before you ask, I'm not "taking a side" it's just your argument is extremely weak and I don't think you've thought it through as carefully as you think you have.

very well said.

Honestly as a man, Ive never really considered it my choice whether or not a woman chooses to get an abortion, that should never be a man's place to decide.

deletedalmost 6 years

[/quote]I find moldy's tone to be consistent with the nastiness she described...[/quote]My cousin of mine who is now 6 years old was born when he was only 5 and a half months. I find it disgusting that people are allowed to murder an uborn child b/c it is a child at 5 and a half months for sure, and not simply look around and say. "You know what, maybe we should set boundaries for this"

voisu

almost 6 years

men dont have control over womens bodies or how they choose to live their lives, f*ck off with your sexist "well what would the father think?" bullsh*t

DonnieDarko

almost 6 years

VanityPrime says

Thundurus says

Abortion in general is always sad.

I think that contextualizing my argument in terms of someone choosing the life or death of someone else is wrong.

I think that ultimately the woman makes the decision as it affects her more then any man can imagine

Look, either abortion is removing a nest of unwanted cells, which case getting rid of it is a simple medical operation like an appendicitis, or it's the unjustified killing of an innocent.

Calling it "sad" within the context of your argument is irrelevant and meaningless, it cares no weight other then virtual signaling.

The entire reason why people hold the pro-life position in the first place isn't that they don't value the body autonomy of the woman, but they don't believe that ownership of ones body is a sufficient justification for killing a potential person.

This is why this debate can't be resolved is because most people talk past each other without actually considering the actual argument, it's just emotional virtual signaling clothed in apologetics on both sides.

P.S before you ask, I'm not "taking a side" it's just your argument is extremely weak and I don't think you've thought it through as carefully as you think you have.

very well said.

deletedalmost 6 years

[quote=Moldyches][quote=voisu]

Moldyches says

voisu says

please be quiet oh my god are you forgetting the fact that sexism is a thing and for some ungodly reason men think theyre allowed to dictate womens lives?

how is my opinion even biased, all i said was women have the right to a choice

Look if you wanna read the discussion go for it. However it isn't smart to state a hollow ethical statement. "Women have a choice" well jesus wouldn't it suck if the child was female. All you're telling me from that statement is "Women should choose whether or not they want to kill their children". Because i am sure in some cases the dad wants the kid, right? Because in what world or universe would a father wish to have a child. But no, the father doesn't get a single word, b/c it is the woman's baby right?

Read this article before you go posting onto topics too grand for your tunnel vision
http://www.bbc.co.uk/ethics/abortion/legal/fathers.shtml

That is not a source from a government or database. I posted earlier with regards to sourcing, using inauthentic sources with opinion based articles does not validate an argument.

VanityPrime

almost 6 years

Thundurus says

Abortion in general is always sad.

I think that contextualizing my argument in terms of someone choosing the life or death of someone else is wrong.

I think that ultimately the woman makes the decision as it affects her more then any man can imagine

Look, either abortion is removing a nest of unwanted cells, which case getting rid of it is a simple medical operation like an appendicitis, or it's the unjustified killing of an innocent.

Calling it "sad" within the context of your argument is irrelevant and meaningless, it cares no weight other then virtual signaling.

The entire reason why people hold the pro-life position in the first place isn't that they don't value the body autonomy of the woman, but they don't believe that ownership of ones body isn't a sufficient justification for killing a potential person.

This is why this debate can't be resolved is because most people talk past each other without actually considering the actual argument, it's just emotional virtual signaling clothed in apologetics on both sides.

P.S before you ask, I'm not "taking a side" it's just your argument is extremely weak and I don't think you've thought it through as carefully as you think you have.

deletedalmost 6 years

The universe is eternal.....

Laws that guide our everyday life such as the Law of Conservation of mass prove that the universe is eternal....

SnowPuppy

almost 6 years

so many votes on after 2 years old oO
I hope everyone is meme'ing lol

deletedalmost 6 years

[quote=voisu][quote=Moldyches]

voisu says

please be quiet oh my god are you forgetting the fact that sexism is a thing and for some ungodly reason men think theyre allowed to dictate womens lives?

how is my opinion even biased, all i said was women have the right to a choice

Look if you wanna read the discussion go for it. However it isn't smart to state a hollow ethical statement. "Women have a choice" well jesus wouldn't it suck if the child was female. All you're telling me from that statement is "Women should choose whether or not they want to kill their children". Because i am sure in some cases the dad wants the kid, right? Because in what world or universe would a father wish to have a child. But no, the father doesn't get a single word, b/c it is the woman's baby right?

Read this article before you go posting onto topics too grand for your tunnel vision
http://www.bbc.co.uk/ethics/abortion/legal/fathers.shtml