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"Catfishing" alts and stuff.

about 6 years

Watching the video D3X posted where we found lailai, it reminded me of the alts that I used to bypass my suspension on Orienteering (for claiming that I hacked the site when it was really lailai). these depictions of people who weren't who they said they were, these really made me feel bad about what I have done in the past. But after a second of thinking about it, I realize that I don't think I did total wrong.

DreamGate was supposed to represent a female who had been born in a hostile environment, emigrated to the States from Spain at age 6, and was sexually abused during high school, and then fixed her stuff, got into college, and then declared she was a lesbian. She was born in Barcelona, Spain to a couple, where the mother was the father's sex slave. The mother had no money on her own, and both Maria ("DreamGate's" first name) and the mother had been abused. Once Maria was 6, someone randomly slipped the mother plane tickets to the United States, and so Maria and the mother were able to immigrate from Spain to New York, and then New Orleans, where they stayed in Lafayette, LA. She lived in a ghetto neighborhood, but in early high school, a senior boy approached her, and they hooked up. Maria started playing Volleyball in high school, and it kept her safe from the ghetto. But she was called to her boyfriend's house once, but she came in and saw her bf and three other boys, who instantly beat her and gang- her. They all got arrested after, but she was scarred for life. She realized that through all of her experiences, she didn't think she would ever have the gall to put her trust in a man again, and in college, she outed herself as lesbian. I have told people about this in stories all throughout the time the account worked, and it kinda got people's attention. It got a lot of feedback, and it even got people to open up about childhood complications, as well as sharing their own stories of abuse/sexual abuse.

Lionel was supposed to represent a breaking of stereotypes, as well as proof that deep down, we all have our sad stories and emotions. His story was that he was a Half-Mexican, Half-Welsh 2nd-gen American who started working out in High School. He had a girlfriend who had mutual love for him since elementary school, but her parents didn't like Lionel. Her family moved to a new area in his senior year, thus breaking them up. He got a job at a gym and started working out like crazy so he could get into the Naval Academy (He was "23" in this account, so he was close to the maximum application age). He also studied web design/development in his free time. Soon after he graduated, he got a job as a mechanic/web maintenance person at that particular gym he worked at. And one night, I posted an update in a few games with people like soda (I remember his reaction the most), where I said that I was driving home from work and I saw a car crash that happened to be nonfatal for one vehicle, but not the other car which had his ex in it (y'know the one from before). Yeah, so, I made an EM family to kind of see who else was misunderstood as a person. They gave me life stories and I gave them decent advice. I had helped somebody with workout tips by mixing my ROTC workouts with XC workouts. People shared their reactions of losing loved ones in the worst way possible (in fact, around the time before I got banned when I was caught multiaccounting, I found out my childhood best friend died in a self-caused action). People have shared experiences of where they had a dream, but waited just too long to follow it, and now they are living in a mutilated shell of a life.

Believe it or not, when I used those accounts and tried to tell the stories, it actually felt really weird to just make up a person who have had experiences way outside of my own. At first, I was trying to appear as someone other than DatGuiser to the mods, but then it just snowballed into telling the tales that haven't been spoken, which encouraged people to speak up about their experiences, even including the people who have perpetrated those terrible actions.

This thread's OP's purpose is to help understand the honest intention of the psychopathic train that I rode for not only my benefit, but for others as well. This forum is to share anything you thought about while reading this: experiences in my stories similar to ones you have lived through, sharing if you believed who I said I was or not, if you think you liked what I did or if I offended you, or whatever. Just thoughts in general.

about 6 years
you never even apologised for it and you still dont
about 6 years

wink says

when i was struggling with my mental health and created cakerz, i created a backstory for that account as well. at the time i was so confused by the thought of separating what people thought of me from what i actually wanted to do (which at the time was to help people, although the way i went about it had room for improvement). i didn't see myself as this nice and helpful person, so i created a separate persona to play out those traits i was so afraid to associate with myself. i think alts are a way for people struggling with their identity to create an entirely new one, which is pretty damaging in the long run. i had trouble believing that i could be multi-faceted, and had to create a whole other identity when i wanted to do something i didn't personally think i was capable of. i think that's whats going on here, in a more extreme case. maybe these are parts of himself that he needs to separate from his identity in order to cope. dunno.

im also not trying to excuse this, i'm just trying to explain the thought process he may be having since i put a lot of thought into my alts by giving them their own personalities in the past as well.


you being cakerz and friending people who would never want to be your friend was not OK
about 6 years

yela says


Pinche says

The amount of thought and backstory for your catfish accounts is psychotic and symbolic of a mental illness.


and stigmatizing him for it it is def gonna help him, i don't see what harm this caused?


christ you are dysfunctional
about 6 years
"It got a lot of feedback, and it even got people to open up about childhood complications, as well as sharing their own stories of abuse/sexual abuse."

u r a disgusting human being
about 6 years
trust jeff to be aggressively “woke” while arm chair psychoanalysing bad behaviour and scapegoating mental illness at the same time. no freakin surprises there LOL
about 6 years
honestly OP that’s f*cked up

like, reconsider your life choices or maybe just log the f*** off until you like, start having Human Emotions
about 6 years
are you o-k pal
deletedabout 6 years

Carmen says

Lying about sexual assault to console others is bad because, regardless of the arguable positive results of having people confide in someone they think went through the same traumatic experience, you DIDNT go through that experience and thus have no way of possibly connecting or relating with them. In no uncertain words, you're a fake friend.




thank you
about 6 years

SteelixMega says


MisterPresident says


SteelixMega says


Jeff says

Someone needs to tell him, that’s not me, that not faking being ràped doesn’t mean you’re pro-ràpe dear God how can you have that fücked up of a view.


how about you tell me why I can't make a story that can refer to your sister, your mother, or anybody who can sympathize with this. maybe I am writing this story because I know that this is a true story, but just not mine. as wrong as it may seem to you that I am lying on a mafia game site (in which lying is the point), there are people whose stories have never been told.


Never, ever, ever take away a victim's story. It is their story to tell (or not) and you're only allowed to talk about it with others if you get specific permission. If victims lose their ability to control even their own story, they're even more at a loss.


The result of what I did allowed people to tell their story as they wanted to tell theirs jsyk. Because communication goes both ways. Just because I told them about something that never happened doesn't make me less qualified to hear what they have to say. I never took what they said and made it bad.


creating a FAKE safety net for people by pretending that you went through a trauma they ACTUALLY went through is WRONG.
about 6 years
Lying about sexual assault to console others is bad because, regardless of the arguable positive results of having people confide in someone they think went through the same traumatic experience, you DIDNT go through that experience and thus have no way of possibly connecting or relating with them. In no uncertain words, you're a fake friend.
deletedabout 6 years
hey so as someone who's spoken to people who read this thread, gotta say, i don't recommend reading this thread
about 6 years

SteelixMega says


MisterPresident says


SteelixMega says


Jeff says

Someone needs to tell him, that’s not me, that not faking being ràped doesn’t mean you’re pro-ràpe dear God how can you have that fücked up of a view.


how about you tell me why I can't make a story that can refer to your sister, your mother, or anybody who can sympathize with this. maybe I am writing this story because I know that this is a true story, but just not mine. as wrong as it may seem to you that I am lying on a mafia game site (in which lying is the point), there are people whose stories have never been told.


Never, ever, ever take away a victim's story. It is their story to tell (or not) and you're only allowed to talk about it with others if you get specific permission. If victims lose their ability to control even their own story, they're even more at a loss.


The result of what I did allowed people to tell their story as they wanted to tell theirs jsyk. Because communication goes both ways. Just because I told them about something that never happened doesn't make me less qualified to hear what they have to say. I never took what they said and made it bad.


What I am saying is that it's ONLY up to the victim to tell their story. They can choose to tell anyone or no one. but no one else can tell their story because it's not their place. The victim should be able to control every piece of what happened to them. They're a victim because someone took control away from them. They can at the very least control who knows what happened to them
about 6 years
i would really take some time to reflect and maybe talk to a professional about why you come up with such vivid stories about things that you haven't experienced, it could be an underlying issue

take it from someone who took a secret alt too far, it can be really damaging to others on the site if you take advantage of their trust by fabricating a story you think they will sympathize with. i was around 15 or 16 when i did the same thing. i understand it may not seem wrong in the moment but you have to understand there are a lot of sexual assault survivors on this website that may find this really bothersome and hindering for their recovery. i really am hoping you will reflect a bit and take time to try and understand where a lot of us are coming from. <3
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creating a fake persona and using it to lie about sexual assault is vile regardless of your intent -- you aren't telling other people's stories, you aren't helping anyone, you're lying about something that's deeply traumatizing to people
about 6 years

MisterPresident says


SteelixMega says


Jeff says

Someone needs to tell him, that’s not me, that not faking being ràped doesn’t mean you’re pro-ràpe dear God how can you have that fücked up of a view.


how about you tell me why I can't make a story that can refer to your sister, your mother, or anybody who can sympathize with this. maybe I am writing this story because I know that this is a true story, but just not mine. as wrong as it may seem to you that I am lying on a mafia game site (in which lying is the point), there are people whose stories have never been told.


Never, ever, ever take away a victim's story. It is their story to tell (or not) and you're only allowed to talk about it with others if you get specific permission. If victims lose their ability to control even their own story, they're even more at a loss.


The result of what I did allowed people to tell their story as they wanted to tell theirs jsyk. Because communication goes both ways. Just because I told them about something that never happened doesn't make me less qualified to hear what they have to say. I never took what they said and made it bad.
about 6 years

ookami says

This is pretty twisted my dude.
Maybe next time you're banned read a book or pick up fortnite or whatever kids these days are doing, instead of treating other people's lives like a game for your enjoyment. Just a thought.


Explain this projection of my actions, because it is really doing the opposite and showing that people's lives are really like this, even though we may not know who they are, and that it is NOT a game.
about 6 years
I am a catfishing alt
about 6 years
This is pretty twisted my dude.
Maybe next time you're banned read a book or pick up fortnite or whatever kids these days are doing, instead of treating other people's lives like a game for your enjoyment. Just a thought.
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i can’t really speak much about someone being mature or not since i’m still 18, but he is 15 and i think he lacks the maturity to realize that making up stories like that to get others to talk about their own issues isn’t really a justifiable thing

intentions might have been “good” but you’re not writing a fiction book you’re making yourself into a character who went through these awful, tragic things and it’s painful for people who have been through those type of things to see someone pretending for some type of attention

i don’t even know who you are so i can’t comment on your character but i think you need to see it from a victim’s perspective
about 6 years

SteelixMega says


Jeff says

Someone needs to tell him, that’s not me, that not faking being ràped doesn’t mean you’re pro-ràpe dear God how can you have that fücked up of a view.


how about you tell me why I can't make a story that can refer to your sister, your mother, or anybody who can sympathize with this. maybe I am writing this story because I know that this is a true story, but just not mine. as wrong as it may seem to you that I am lying on a mafia game site (in which lying is the point), there are people whose stories have never been told.


Never, ever, ever take away a victim's story. It is their story to tell (or not) and you're only allowed to talk about it with others if you get specific permission. If victims lose their ability to control even their own story, they're even more at a loss.
about 6 years

SteelixMega says

And i wouldn't say I have mental illness because of this, considering I know when to stop doing it.


about 6 years

MisterPresident says

As much as this is horrifying, wrong, insensitive, embarrassing, awkward, etc. we have to remember that Lionel is a 15 year old kid.

He will (hopefully) grow out of this phase as we mostly all did

He's just looking for validation but doing a really poor job of it

He reminds me of me back in the day


when have I ever looked for validation if all I wanted was for people to understand my intentions?
about 6 years

Jeff says

You’re braindead. No one is saying you need to have been rapéd to “be against it”. We are saying it’s awful to roleplay as someone who has been because there are people who actually have been rapèd and you’re choosing to minimize their trauma down to something you can just roleplay.


I am not minimizing anything. just because I lied about who I was does not mean that there aren't people putting their junk where it doesn't belong
about 6 years

Jeff says

Someone needs to tell him, that’s not me, that not faking being ràped doesn’t mean you’re pro-ràpe dear God how can you have that fücked up of a view.


how about you tell me why I can't make a story that can refer to your sister, your mother, or anybody who can sympathize with this. maybe I am writing this story because I know that this is a true story, but just not mine. as wrong as it may seem to you that I am lying on a mafia game site (in which lying is the point), there are people whose stories have never been told.
about 6 years
anyone else here just to play mafia