https://epicmafia.com/report/248687
I'm sorry but the moderators are pulling the same garbage that they did last time I was running. This wasn't gamethrow, you linked a thread there, do you honestly expect everyone to read that longass thread before they play Manhunt?
I was agent with a Killer and a Spy. I was in autoloss, they weren't going to no lynch, they were going to lynch me until I said I'd rather killer win for the meme.
You guys act as if they were going to no lynch, and kill each other, but that was never a scenario.
This wasn't at all vio worthy and I'm appealing this for that reason.
I don't deserve a gamethrow violation, ANYONE who read that game can see I clearly wasn't throwing and was playing with the intent to win.
Seriously how can either scum vote NL and have any reasonable expectation to win? I don't think anyone has explained that properly other than 'oh the other mafia might make a mistake' the chances of which would be so minuscule as to not be relevant, unless the two scums had some sort of OGI pact to allow one of them to solo.
it's not gt for the scum to nl and joint at night in a 3way. it is bad play but isnt the entire point of mafia to try and outplay your opponent lol? he should be nling and trying to get the scum to make a mistake so he has a shot at winning
You just explained a possibility of how you could win and then you say it was autoloss. If you try to understand and accept your mistake i can get your suspension removed.
Furthermore, this setup also has some quite amusing potential for OGI given the way points are distributed.
say player A is Killer and has 1900 points and 1 heart [including the one they are using for the game in question], player B is Spy and has 1960 points and 1 heart, player C is Hunter with 1850 points and 2 hearts, with one other Hunter, D who is out of the running in the leaderboard.
Player A is only interested in winning gold and knows that he cannot do so if he joints with B as doing so would put him over 2000 points and end the round. Knowing this, player B deduces that A will always betray him in the night meeting no matter what, and if he does not also betray A then A will score enough points to end the round, preventing him from winning gold. This gives C an unnaturally high chance of winning gold themselves, as if both A and B act in their best interests, they will betray each other and give town the win, meaning that C is guaranteed to win and have a chance that they likely would not have had to win gold themselves.
This is just one example, but I'm sure you can think of many more if you are so minded.
If the last remaining town votes NL then it makes no sense for either of the two scums to force an NL rather than voting the town player and splitting the points.
If either scum player votes NL, then their counterpart can reasonably assume that he's NL for the sole purpose of voting betraying them in their night meeting, since if they genuinely did want to join they would do so in the day meeting. Hence their intentions are known and broadcast.
I suppose the scum being betrayed could still choose to spite the town if they so wished and choose their scum counterpart to win over them, but the player voting NL can't have any reasonable expectation that they would do this.
If other players have done this before, well I suppose there's no underestimating human stupidity - but this doesn't mean that NLing as scum in 3-way is rational behaviour.
I will reason with you. What are the odds of winning by lynching killer or mafia in 3 way?
What are the odds of winning by nling?
Is it fair to pick a loser? After both scum collaborated for a joint and came that far? I agree it was bye's fault for not unvoting and asking for a joint.
Town has to tell the person voting them that they risk losing if they vote them instead of nling.
Could you explain why losing is better than nling and hoping for a win. If you nl in 3 way then there is a chance both mafia and killer kill each other. It has happened multiple times in this setup.
You stupid no matter the outcome she already lost the game, all she did was decide who of the other two was gonna win or lose. You’re not stupid, don’t feign ignorance
The prisoner's dilemma scenario functions in 4-way because the two scum parties' intentions are still concealed when they vote NL in a way where they would not be if either of them voted NL in 3-way.
Will you agree to admit your mistake and agree to not do it again if the mods removed your suspension? If yes then I suggest you should write an apology thread explaining that now you understand what you did was wrong. We cant pick winners based on how nice they are.
Please dont play manhunt. Id rather you dont play any game if you have this attitude. Because you are likely to lose to a person who is nice to you. So you will grudge lynch someone who is town but not nice to you.
Do you understand what you did? Or are you playing dumb on purpose?
There has been many games where mafia and killer have killed each other for higher payout. That way town wins. People thinking that it is better to make sure you lose by picking a winner instead of nling and hoping to win are those people who were not taught logic in school. These people should not play manhunt. Manhunt is a complex setup and if you want to play it then you have to play it properly.
@devante- initially even i did not agree with a refund or a suspension but when i read what holden said in the game i figured he was picking a winner. It is simple. Not complicated at all.
