Epicmafia

The shootings

almost 7 years

So there's been a lot of shooting recently and the president isnt doing about it.

Australia had its worst mass shooting in 1996 on the 28th of April. 12 days later australia announced a bipartisan deal on sweeping gun control measures. The government brought back and destroyed over a million guns. We (australia) haven't had a mass shooting since.

Why is Trump not doing anything. Children are dying. People aren't living their full lives. If comforting those who have been through trauma and lost loved ones is all they can do b*llfucking sh*t. If saying it will be okay to those victims then saying that to gun owners should be fine too.

Sorry im just annoyed with how this has all been going down.

Should gun control be changed?

Yes

somethingwhatever

over 6 years

devante read this plz
https://theintercept.com/2015/03/16/howthefbicreatedaterrorist/

Devante

over 6 years

projectmatt says

Devante says

Oh dude, totally .

Congress, the senate, every mayor . The current president, even Obama. They are all responsible .

The FBI and sheriff? No

yes, but the fbi could have done more even without the ability to restrict his access to guns

Sure, in hindsight . But let’s think realistically .

Google : fbi surveillance specialist salary

Now, think of all the agents that would be assigned to these cases, alll the money needed to put constant surveillance on this edgy 17 year old.

Now, think how many other edgy 17 year olds similar to this one guy, and do you think the FBI has the manpower or the budget for every single 17 year old edgy potential school shooter

projectmatt

over 6 years

Devante says

Oh dude, totally .

Congress, the senate, every mayor . The current president, even Obama. They are all responsible .

The FBI and sheriff? No

yes, but the fbi could have done more even without the ability to restrict his access to guns

somethingwhatever

over 6 years

but sure live on fantasyland where the fbi used all their toolkit and did all they could

somethingwhatever

over 6 years

the fbi has a totally different policy as it regards to white terrorists than the one they have with brown ones

Devante

over 6 years

Oh dude, totally .

Congress, the senate, every mayor . The current president, even Obama. They are all responsible .

The FBI and sheriff? No

somethingwhatever

over 6 years

yeah tools have to be operated, and when u train someone to be able to operate them and incentivize them to do so, when they use it u should be held resposible

projectmatt

over 6 years

Devante says

projectmatt says

also to answer your question devante, they should have restricted his access to guns, or kept a super close eye on him, or gotten him proper help, there's a lot of things that could have been done

but the point is that time and time again, nothing is done

I completely agree with you dude, the FBI SHOULD HAVE taken away his guns, but the FBI COULD NOT take away his guns because the NRA doesn’t care if you’re mentally ill, they still want you to have guns

yeah, that's why we need gun control! we are in agreement with that

my point is that the government is still complicit in the shootings regardless of whether or not we have gun control, though

Mathlete42

over 6 years

guns are TOOLS u sheeple wake up

Mathlete42

over 6 years

they should screen the military training for that program to not let nut cases in then but the fact remains that guns dont just stand up and shoot people someone has to do it

somethingwhatever

over 6 years

the gov wasn't just omissive they were responsible over this kid, he had mental problems and they gave him millitary training

Devante

over 6 years

projectmatt says

also to answer your question devante, they should have restricted his access to guns, or kept a super close eye on him, or gotten him proper help, there's a lot of things that could have been done

but the point is that time and time again, nothing is done

I completely agree with you dude, the FBI SHOULD HAVE taken away his guns, but the FBI COULD NOT take away his guns because the NRA doesn’t care if you’re mentally ill, they still want you to have guns

projectmatt

over 6 years

also to answer your question devante, they should have restricted his access to guns, or kept a super close eye on him, or gotten him proper help, there's a lot of things that could have been done

but the point is that time and time again, nothing is done

projectmatt

over 6 years

dude, acknowledging that the government largely fails at putting a stop to mass shootings that are preventable is not a republican diversion tactic

we should have basic gun control, and we should recognize that the government has failed in many ways

Devante

over 6 years

This is also why there will never be a solution to your problem in America, look at this stupid diversion tactic the republicans let u idiots call for .

Day 1 - let’s not make this about guns, it’s time to mourn the loss of life.

People that were shot up: no, let’s talk about guns

Day 2: it’s the sheriff and the FBI’s fault !!! Not the guns !! It’s never the guns !!

And now look at stupid ol’ Me, takin for your tactics

Devante

over 6 years

projectmatt says

i think the point was that the government's incompetence and failure to its people is not a right wing vs left wing issue, but an issue that impacts literally everyone regardless of their politics

I guess I’m not making myself clear, or maybe my point is being missed .

Was the FBI warned multiple times that he was going to shoot up a school? Of course.

Now, has the FBI been warned multiple times that someone (who is not going to actually shoot up a school) is posting that he will do said acts, has killed some animals, and brandishes his gun outside.
Of course.

So what I’m saying is, once the FBI does their due diligence and interviews him. Which they did...

What do you and Orly want the FBI to do proceeding that ?

Obviously not take away his guns, because that goes against the 2nd amendment as the NRA would say, and many Americans would say.

Think of this like moderating epicmafia, maybe that will get to you guys better. What I’m saying is what precedent are y’all trying to set? Hypothetically speaking; had the FBI taken his guns away and he went on Fox News there would be a sht storm... so are y’all okay with guns being taken away if:

1. Person posts that they’re going to commit a crime online but hasn’t actually done crime yet ?

2. A few people report that they’re going to commit crime ?

3. Police are called to persons house (and number of times)

blacksnakemoan

over 6 years

I can't believe we have so many Tories on EM

projectmatt

over 6 years

Devante says

Orly says

the fact that you make this a republican/democrat conversation, when it is about what is common sense just goes to show how completely F|_|CKED in the head you are

you're about as incoherent and brainwashed as your PM dancing his way in robe to india

Lmao I’m the one that’s brainwashed .

Not the people who believe they need teachers in schools armed, citizens in malls carrying guns, AR15s to protect themselves against the tyrannical government or & some people breaking in their houses to kidnap & r@pe their wives & daughters

Nah it’s me that’s brainwashed lol

i think the point was that the government's incompetence and failure to its people is not a right wing vs left wing issue, but an issue that impacts literally everyone regardless of their politics

projectmatt

over 6 years

Orly says

and i happen to be strongly for gun law changes and common sense background check improvements, limitations on purchasing weapons of war, etc.

but you cannot f_cking tell me with a straight face, that this isnt completely bullsh!t.

look, you can be against guns all you want: this sh!t is even bigger than that.

THE FBI CANNOT BE TRUSTED. THEY SCREWED US ON PULSE, BOSTON, AURORA, SAN BERNADINO, AND NOW ANOTHER HIGH SCHOOL. THEY LET HIM BECOME A MONSTER. THEY DIDNT EVEN SEND THE TIPS DOWN TO THE FLORIDA OFFICE. SO WHATEVER FAKE @SS NEWS YOU ARE READING ABOUT FBI INTERROGATING, NOT TRUE. THE LEOS LOCALLY DID, AND THEY AGAIN LET HIM BECOME A MONSTER.

EVERY
FKN
STEP - THEY FAILED US.

THE POLICE CANNOT BE TRUSTED. HOW THIS ISNT A CLEAR SIGN OF THAT, AFTER THE COUNTLESS SHOTS TO THE BACK OF UNARMED BLACK MEN AND WOMEN, IS BEYOND ME.

YOU CAN BE ANTI-GUN AND ANTI-THIS TOO.

THIS IS ABOUT AS CLEAR AS IT GETS THAT YOU CANNOT TRUST THEM. THE FBI KNEW, THE LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT KNEW:

THEY
LET
IT
HAPPEN.

GET IT THROUGH YOUR FKN HEAD.

this might be the first time i've ever agreed with you on anything, orly

Heck

over 6 years

i am planning a school shooting however it is too risky to get my hands on a gun so should i be original and use knives

somethingwhatever

over 6 years

poser says

who says the gov trains kids to kill people? im p sure they dont and if anyone in america does that, they'd either be dexters father, a redneck or jehovas witness

lol what do u think JROTC is doing

LightRays

over 6 years

Devante says

Lmao I’m the one that’s brainwashed .

Not the people who believe they need teachers in schools armed, citizens in malls carrying guns, AR15s to protect themselves against the tyrannical government or & some people breaking in their houses to kidnap & r@pe their wives & daughters

Nah it’s me that’s brainwashed lol

You act like the holocaust never happened, and no one has ever shot someone attempting to r@pe them.

That's a fantasy land.

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Devante

over 6 years

Orly says

the fact that you make this a republican/democrat conversation, when it is about what is common sense just goes to show how completely F|_|CKED in the head you are

you're about as incoherent and brainwashed as your PM dancing his way in robe to india

Lmao I’m the one that’s brainwashed .

Not the people who believe they need teachers in schools armed, citizens in malls carrying guns, AR15s to protect themselves against the tyrannical government or & some people breaking in their houses to kidnap & r@pe their wives & daughters

Nah it’s me that’s brainwashed lol

poser

over 6 years

who says the gov trains kids to kill people? im p sure they dont and if anyone in america does that, they'd either be dexters father, a redneck or jehovas witness