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if i dont have money

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to buy gifts or even have time to make something meaningful for the people i care about these holidays, am i just going to be considered the a'sshole this year or what? ive never been in this spot before. i mean i can probably transfer people a dollar in bitcoin as a "surprise!" and make it seem like they're soon gonna be rich

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its called white hackers companies hire people to try to find flaws in their system and if they do they are awared money
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or i think i heard that gossip
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did u know u can legally get money hacking people's companies if you report back any loopholes you find
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VWXYZ says

oh arcbell what you said reminded me of cunningham's law it states the best way to get the right answer on the internet isn't to ask the question its to post the wrong answer. So even if you aren't well versed in something just talking about it even if you say something wrong generally people tend to correct you


so sort of like esecurity o:
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Arcbell says


Sincerely says


Arcbell says

Hm I think it's theoretically possible I have the form of a solution in my head maybe? Gimmie a sec


yeah it might be theoretically possible in some variants but i kept changing the constraints at the time and having that spaz set me back a lot. reminding myself of it just now made me want to try it again in a more exhhaustive fashion


Well, okay hang on. Let's leapfrog to a state where you have set up one folded peice of paper with aligned grids on the hidden side of the folded paper, and on the exposed side. You can poke a hole in the top layer of the fold with a pencil and look at what's underneath. The number of ticks in the square will be the number of adjacent mines, or it's just a mine.

errrr lemmie draw this for clarity


oh yeahh, ticks

but that would create a new constraint for randomizing it without looking, since it seems at first glance like you'd need to get the whole board at once, moreso than if it were just about placing a certain number of dots. actually let me think about it'

oh also i got derailed into trying to figure it out solely through probabilities rather than placement during that spastic session at some point, iirc
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oh arcbell what you said reminded me of cunningham's law it states the best way to get the right answer on the internet isn't to ask the question its to post the wrong answer. So even if you aren't well versed in something just talking about it even if you say something wrong generally people tend to correct you
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Arcbell says

So the hardest part of this is setting up the initial random grid of mines. Knowing how many are adjacent isn't too hard, for example if we have a system that allows you to pick a square without looking, and having any information about where that square is on the paper, by extension you can just add one tick to each adjacent square by moving one place in every direction.


the thing about that is having the adjacencies, though. With enough sheets of paper I believe you could set them up, or at least i came to that conclusion originally -- but again, not exhaustive/not checking my work so pardon me for spazzing

ok ill read your next post now, but pls don't figure it all out and put it here fast because i'm not fast, i'm slow, so save some for me :'(
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Sincerely says


Arcbell says

Hm I think it's theoretically possible I have the form of a solution in my head maybe? Gimmie a sec


yeah it might be theoretically possible in some variants but i kept changing the constraints at the time and having that spaz set me back a lot. reminding myself of it just now made me want to try it again in a more exhhaustive fashion


Well, okay hang on. Let's leapfrog to a state where you have set up one folded peice of paper with aligned grids on the hidden side of the folded paper, and on the exposed side. You can poke a hole in the top layer of the fold with a pencil and look at what's underneath. The number of ticks in the square will be the number of adjacent mines, or it's just a mine.

errrr lemmie draw this for clarity
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why did this delve so deep im only 17 this is to smart for me
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So the hardest part of this is setting up the initial random grid of mines. Knowing how many are adjacent isn't too hard, for example if we have a system that allows you to pick a square without looking, and having any information about where that square is on the paper, by extension you can just add one tick to each adjacent square by moving one place in every direction.
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Arcbell says

Hm I think it's theoretically possible I have the form of a solution in my head maybe? Gimmie a sec


yeah it might be theoretically possible in some variants but i kept changing the constraints at the time and having that spaz set me back a lot. reminding myself of it just now made me want to try it again in a more exhhaustive fashion
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Arcbell says

Yeah the first one I thought of was obviously just 2 sheets of paper with someone to set it up, but that's too easy so I figured you had other constraints in place.


yeah lmao

it started because i kept misclicking on my computer, over and over again, not being able to adapt to the new trackpad right/left clicks for w/e reason, and it was pissing me off, and then it stopped being about that and became more of a matter of idunno pride or something
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Hm I think it's theoretically possible I have the form of a solution in my head maybe? Gimmie a sec
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but i also had this huge spaz somewhere in the middle where i forgot you have to know how many mines are adjacent to a tile so kill me lmfao that mortified me just internally
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Yeah the first one I thought of was obviously just 2 sheets of paper with someone to set it up, but that's too easy so I figured you had other constraints in place.
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So I take it you're not accepting solutions that involve other people, or computers? Just a way to play minesweeper with paper and pencil, in a room by yourself?
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and not using many-sided dice was a constant one iirc

at first i wanted to avoid using many sheets of paper

but i wasn't being thorough or looking at exhaustive solutions yesterday so i don't really know which constraints would be theoretically feasible
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Arcbell says


Sincerely says

thhen there are things like trying to work out a way to play minesweeper on paper that probably are theoretically impossible without using inelegant tactics rendering it utterly pointless as a solution... now that, that i uhh htotally didn't waste half a day thinking about (without concluding anything except that i was a dunce... so far!!!!)


Lmao wait...

What constraints were you putting on the solutions here


it varied, but the prerequisite was not making it multiplayer because that would just be a better battleships, and wouldn't count
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cat pictures probably have monetary worth somewhere
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Sincerely says

thhen there are things like trying to work out a way to play minesweeper on paper that probably are theoretically impossible without using inelegant tactics rendering it utterly pointless as a solution... now that, that i uhh htotally didn't waste half a day thinking about (without concluding anything except that i was a dunce... so far!!!!)


Lmao wait...

What constraints were you putting on the solutions here
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kidneys might be a good idea
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yeah but my only friends are online and i don't want them to hate me.

and also because it's sometimes far better to learn more about it than to fumble in the dark the way i tend to. but yes, it's mostly just for fun.

oh right kerry i heard whispers that you could sell gold pepes or something ;0 never mind that's some cryptocurrency-derived thing
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Talking about things you know nothing about is fine. You're not building a reputation on this website, this is just play. By talking about things you're not well versed in, you expose the flaws in your model to attack (which is good)

And yeah cryptocurrencies are going to end up replacing a lot of current financial and governmental infrastructure imo... just not quite yet. Right now the value you are getting when your crypto-coin goes up in value pretty much boils down to hype, even though the total value of cryptocurrencies some years from now is still going to cast a tall shadow on what we see today.
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anyhow... back to kerry's quest for monetary gains from elements of the empty set
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(but that's only OK as long as it's completely irrelevant and also not something i know enoughh other people have tried and failed at, like describing comedy, who would have a much better chance of finding the solution to than i. oh, and because concluding it's impossible in X way is still an insight and possible to figure out.)