the purpose of EM is to create as many alts as possible. now it sounds wacky but listen to me:
play with X amount of redhearts for free/very cheap
get around r*tard bans, work on the coveted pie chart, etc
more goes at the goldheart = more likely you win (someone with 10 alts wins the round almost by sheer odds, vs honest working class ppl with 0 alts)
ppl like to make RP accounts or troll accounts or etc
these may be incentives that players see for making many fake/duplicate accounts, AKA "alts". but why does the design of EM as a program/community really encourage users to login to more than once account daily?
more active user accounts = more $$$ for lazyboy Lucid
I know that many top players in the "Fame" tab have more then 3 accounts, almost by a rule. I suspect that several mods, and possibly Lucid himself, actively play with multiple accounts daily.
B/c this site's funky disorganization encourages people to multi-account, Lucid turns a bug into a feature and gets rich doing nothing.
This is a perfect example of what I am talking about.
Here on epicmafia, moderators and people who wish they were will encourage axiomatically self-destructive real life behavior because they want to be on your good side.
Meanwhile, you're crapping all over me for telling you exactly what your parents, employer, mentor, or friends would tell you if you tried to explain your ludicrous epicmafia experiment to them.
You think this is an argument but actually it's me trying to convince you not to flush perhaps the greatest opportunity of your life down the toilet like so much nothing because I'm adamant in my belief that being the worst and least popular epicmafia figure literally ever is a good skillset to bring into my million dollar open door.
Idiot.
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ok i'm with lailai after those posts, that was a pretty cerebral beat-down. this kid has some spunk
Can I post a pic f my cawk in this thread? I'll assume not answering = yes and will do it unless told otherwise
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This is wrong. I'm not trying to be mean, it's just self-evidently incorrect wishful thinking
Take a step back and try to think about the following sentence objectively rather than subjectively. It's not meant to be insulting, it's supposed to provoke thought:
"I am the least popular administrator on epicmafia since it's conception, and I've achieved that title in less than a week. I have a real opportunity at a real career that will not only pay well immediately, but will also open up doors to opportunities in the future worth potentially millions of dollars. Do I really believe that what I am doing here is at all similar to the thing I am doing to build my life?"
1. You have failed to demonstrate absolutely any understanding of product management, rather, the opposite.
2. Your dogmatism and failure to actually challenge your mental model, despite my repeat posts at clarification, is a flaw. I suggest working on it, it will help you in life.
3. While this internet argument has been entertaining, I'm going to do something more productive now, like finish the Slack bot so mods can do alt checks while mitigating risk and without making lucid angry.
Perhaps I tied product manager too broadly to marketing, but if you're smart enough to get hired with a real company at 18 years old, you're probably smart enough to reread my last post and realize that it still applies.
If a company respects your skillset enough to hire you before you have a degree, and you disrespect that company by trying to treat it like a dying internet party game where you are literally and not figuratively the least popular authority figure ever, you're gonna have a bad time. That's probably universal with absolutely any professional job.
I think admining epicmafia takes less responsibility than managing a mcdonalds.
If you don't believe me, go into work and explain what you're doing here and how it's going to help you do a better job to your boss. I'd love to hear about it.
I don't even know why I'm trying to convince you not to do something that will certainly fail when I would love to see you fail though.
It's not like this is just my opinion, you're literally the least popular admin ever to be on the website in less than 5 days.
Please explain to me how that is going to help your product management.
> "You do you" but if you bring epicmafia ideas into a professional business you're ridiculous.
Let's see:
* Run an experiment on onboarding new users by giving them a walkthrough of how to play mafia, instead of dumping them straight in, and measure retention and churn.
-> Learn insights from this experiment and different onboarding flows and techniques. Maybe you refute your assumptions about the audience and personas.
-> Bring these experiences and insights to your next shiny .
Apparently (according to you) that doesn't transfer. Other than, you know, being the best way to learn, short of listening to others who's been there done that and is telling you about their experiences.
> Do you think that your team, or indeed superiors, would appreciate that you are bringing a business model you developed as the most unpopular admin of an internet party game of all time?
I'm sorry, but business models is a very small area of product management. As a product manager, the most important task is solving needs and wants for the customer in a manner that achieves certain goals (usually revenue related, or an analogue like MAU). Business models and pricing models are something you indeed own, but if you start from a business or pricing model BEFORE the needs or wants, you have failed.
In addition, you have, intentionally or unintentionally, completely misinterpreted my posts to that I think there can be any sort of transfer of business models of epicmafia to, well, anything that's not really EM. Admins don't even touch that!
For the sake of being absolutely clear: skills and experiences transfer, not models and applications.
> You should treat a professional environment professionally, which this website is not.
Of course not. To be fair, a lot of startups are a lot closer to this website over what I imagine your mental 'professional environment' is, but I digress.
Epicmafia is a community of mafia. It is not professional, but that doesn't mean common elements are not there and you can't learn skills that transfer, to one degree or another.
Everyone knows that you wouldn't ever transfer an environment.
> It's disrespectful to your employees, it's disrespectful to your employers, and it's disrespectful to yourself.
Irrelevant, your previous point has been debunked.
I'll entertain you for one post, since you put in the effort.
> Let us say that you become the leader of a team with a big company and you're trying to market and develop a new product.
'market and develop a new product' is literally less than 10% of what a PM does at a SaaS technology company.
For one, while marketing and the GTM strategy should always be in the back of your mind, no big company will expect a product manager to specialise in marketing. That is the role of a product marketing manager or growth hacker (slightly different, but a lot more marketing than PM).
For two, a product manager is not the leader of a team. If you come in with anywhere close to that mindset, you're not going to make it as far as someone who practices subservient leadership. A PM is the co-ordinator, visionary, and executor of a product, not a leader of any team.
> You have at this point succeeded immensely and hold the respect of everyone under your employ.
You do not employ people as a PM. I have never, ever, ever heard of that at any company. Sorry, but do you even know what product management is?
> Reciprocally, you have the best team, all educated in a field closely related to product management.
If your team is educated in a field closely related to product management, instead of in disciplines where they can actually build the product (e.g. designers, engineers, SREs, etc), then it's time to go on LinkedIn and AngelList and change jobs before your company goes bankrupt.
The only exception is if you are a group product manager. In that case, your team tends to be product managers.
