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If you think antifa is a good thing

GentIeman
over 7 years

You're cancer.

Even if you want to go with the uptick of fascism and white nationalism. Attacking them doesn't help your cause. All it does is give them more ammunition to say, "look how crazy the left has become".

One of the funny things is you guys fail to do is understand correlation vs causation. "After Trump won the white house, hate crimes raised."

This could also do with the fact with the high increase of terrorism in western countries in the last few years. Saying that its the west's fault for not being inclusive enough and that we should all just come together. Then terrorism will stop; Is extremely naive and counter intuitive.

I'm not saying that hate crimes of any sort should ever happen, they shouldn't, nor should certain people be barred from entering. But the liberal apology tour for other groups and just blaming the west and white people, is part of the cause for the rise of "white nationalism".

For the liberals having such a high college graduate segment, it's really sad how naive their world view is.

projectmatt
over 7 years
"Why do anything if my basic needs get no matter What?"

what!? are you arguing that we shouldnt provide basic needs for people because you wouldn't have to work as hard? i do not get it.

also, okay, but do you understand a big part of the reason why it's so hard to get food to the poor places in Africa is also largely because of capitalism/corruption?

the fact remains that we have the basic resources we need to provide for people. when you say "inequality and poverty will always exist", you're accepting a broken system that doesn't work.
somethingwhatever
over 7 years
??? im not talking about food, im talking about quality of life on that comment...
GentIeman
over 7 years

somethingwhatever says

the ussr era quality of life would literally be an improvemnt on their current quality of life, its not the same situation, its an improvement


I said there wasn't enough resources for everyone not to live in poverty. I said nothing about food. Even if someone gets food everyday they can still be considered living in poverty.
GentIeman
over 7 years

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But capitalism is currently working in all the western countries.


??? how do you define capitalism "working?"


In every country that capitalism and democracy has been introduced the standard of living has raised


im not sure if that's true or not, but regardless, i wouldn't call the mass inequality/poverty/general suffering that capitalism breeds as a working system


There is always going to be inequality and poverty. If we truly wanted to fix this we would cut our population to a 1 billion total. That's the only scenario where there'd be enough resources for everyone.


do you know that we have enough resources right now? we have enough houses in america for the homeless to go in. we have enough food to feed the world, or at the VERY least our country. that's literally not true.

the reason we have inequality is not because "things will always be that way". it's because of the system.


Why do anything if my basic needs get no matter What? Also the improper distribution of food can falsely propagate up populations, like you are seeing in Africa. You see them talking about millions of immigrants flooding into Europe in the coming years because of this. Theyd rather live in developed europe then wait 80 years to be in the same place economically. We can't grow forever, there has to be control.
somethingwhatever
over 7 years
lmao when even john oliver debunks u
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8xwLWb0lLY
somethingwhatever
over 7 years
capitalism: we cant feed everyone, not enough food
also capitalism:lets dump all this food
http://time.com/4530659/farmers-dump-milk-glut-surplus/
somethingwhatever
over 7 years
the ussr era quality of life would literally be an improvemnt on their current quality of life, its not the same situation, its an improvement
GentIeman
over 7 years

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LMAO AS OPPOSED TO WHEN THEY WERE THE USSR AND HAD FREE TRADE WITH THE WORLD


They stopped being in good deals since the 40s when tensions first rose.


lmao tahts my point, "democracy and capitalism" has decreased quality of life to the majority of russians and they wish they had the ussr back cause was better


Even if they had the ussr back, they'd be in the same situation... to succeed you have to have the support of other countries in a global economy.
projectmatt
over 7 years

GentIeman says


projectmatt says


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GentIeman says

But capitalism is currently working in all the western countries.


??? how do you define capitalism "working?"


In every country that capitalism and democracy has been introduced the standard of living has raised


im not sure if that's true or not, but regardless, i wouldn't call the mass inequality/poverty/general suffering that capitalism breeds as a working system


There is always going to be inequality and poverty. If we truly wanted to fix this we would cut our population to a 1 billion total. That's the only scenario where there'd be enough resources for everyone.


do you know that we have enough resources right now? we have enough houses in america for the homeless to go in. we have enough food to feed the world, or at the VERY least our country. that's literally not true.

the reason we have inequality is not because "things will always be that way". it's because of the system.
somethingwhatever
over 7 years

GentIeman says


somethingwhatever says

LMAO AS OPPOSED TO WHEN THEY WERE THE USSR AND HAD FREE TRADE WITH THE WORLD


They stopped being in good deals since the 40s when tensions first rose.


lmao tahts my point, "democracy and capitalism" has decreased quality of life to the majority of russians and they wish they had the ussr back cause was better
GentIeman
over 7 years

projectmatt says


GentIeman says


projectmatt says


GentIeman says

But capitalism is currently working in all the western countries.


??? how do you define capitalism "working?"


In every country that capitalism and democracy has been introduced the standard of living has raised


im not sure if that's true or not, but regardless, i wouldn't call the mass inequality/poverty/general suffering that capitalism breeds as a working system


There is always going to be inequality and poverty. If we truly wanted to fix this we would cut our population to a 1 billion total. That's the only scenario where there'd be enough resources for everyone.
GentIeman
over 7 years

somethingwhatever says

LMAO AS OPPOSED TO WHEN THEY WERE THE USSR AND HAD FREE TRADE WITH THE WORLD


They stopped being in good deals since the 40s when tensions first rose.
somethingwhatever
over 7 years
LMAO AS OPPOSED TO WHEN THEY WERE THE USSR AND HAD FREE TRADE WITH THE WORLD
GentIeman
over 7 years

somethingwhatever says

JESUS I DIDNT READ THAT
In every country that capitalism and democracy has been introduced the standard of living has raised
DO U EVEN USSR??????????????????????????? DO U EVEN???????????


This I would argue because America has no interest in them succeeding. So they bar them from favorable trade.
somethingwhatever
over 7 years
JESUS I DIDNT READ THAT
In every country that capitalism and democracy has been introduced the standard of living has raised
DO U EVEN USSR??????????????????????????? DO U EVEN???????????
somethingwhatever
over 7 years
all im saying is that just cause its islam doesnt mean , all ibrahamic religion have basic the same text, its other cultural and material factors that lead to extremism
projectmatt
over 7 years

GentIeman says


projectmatt says


GentIeman says

But capitalism is currently working in all the western countries.


??? how do you define capitalism "working?"


In every country that capitalism and democracy has been introduced the standard of living has raised


im not sure if that's true or not, but regardless, i wouldn't call the mass inequality/poverty/general suffering that capitalism breeds as a working system
somethingwhatever
over 7 years
and that furthermore muslism can in fact have higher standarts on those things
GentIeman
over 7 years

somethingwhatever says

my point is not an theocracy r good, my point is just cause u r a muslim doesnt mean u cant adhere to western values of freedom and justice


I never said that? I said if they are abiding by the hadith. Clearly the Kurds don't, so I'd consider them secular.
somethingwhatever
over 7 years
my point is not an theocracy r good, my point is just cause u r a muslim doesnt mean u cant adhere to western values of freedom and justice
GentIeman
over 7 years

projectmatt says


GentIeman says

But capitalism is currently working in all the western countries.


??? how do you define capitalism "working?"


In every country that capitalism and democracy has been introduced the standard of living has raised
GentIeman
over 7 years

somethingwhatever says

im talking about rojava ffs, R-O-J-A-V-A, noun, kurdish, meaning west, de facto adminstrative region of northern syria, being bombed by assad and turkey, majority kurdish, with a assyrian, yazidi and arab minorities.
kurds = muslims


They're secular muslims
somethingwhatever
over 7 years
feudalism at one point was working in all western countries lmao and every republican attempt had failed too, the logic if it failed 100% times in x tries means it cant work is flawed
projectmatt
over 7 years

GentIeman says

But capitalism is currently working in all the western countries.


??? how do you define capitalism "working?"
projectmatt
over 7 years

GentIeman says


projectmatt says

tbh regardless of whether or not you think communism is possible, i find it so odd that people willingly defend capitalism, given that the situation it has caused is awful and has led to an absurd amount of inequality. it's so depressing to have the mindset that mass inequality and class warfare is "just the way things are".


I don't think 100% capitalism is right, that just creates where businesses control everything. There has to be some checks.



i used to think this too, but then i realized that the system of capitalism is made in a way so that it inherently breeds inequality/greed/suffering. you can't create checks in a system that rewards not caring about other people.