Even if you want to go with the uptick of fascism and white nationalism. Attacking them doesn't help your cause. All it does is give them more ammunition to say, "look how crazy the left has become".
One of the funny things is you guys fail to do is understand correlation vs causation. "After Trump won the white house, hate crimes raised."
This could also do with the fact with the high increase of terrorism in western countries in the last few years. Saying that its the west's fault for not being inclusive enough and that we should all just come together. Then terrorism will stop; Is extremely naive and counter intuitive.
I'm not saying that hate crimes of any sort should ever happen, they shouldn't, nor should certain people be barred from entering. But the liberal apology tour for other groups and just blaming the west and white people, is part of the cause for the rise of "white nationalism".
For the liberals having such a high college graduate segment, it's really sad how naive their world view is.
I remember trying to read the communist manifesto but the whole whiny tone of it annoyed me.
" as I sit in the home paid by my banker friend, I'm going to write about communism in the writing job he helped me get. Im going to complain about the bugesoi, even though that's who funds me and why I live in comfort."
No your implication that the middle class is evil and the poor is more entitled to wealth then the middle class to their status is stupid.
I believe we should stop doing anything with Sauds too. Im unsure what you're trying to argue with me on that. The whole purpose of the middle East is so America remains the strongest geopolitical power.
You have no basis for your deterioration of capitalism is the cause of the surge in white nationalism. A country was struggling so they revolted, this has happened in every country with almost every type of ideology. You can't take one country that wasn't even using capitalism but was being taken advantage of by other countries as a basis of your argument.
when did i ever defended islam??? islam has some p dark parts and sects, wahhabism is not something i will ever defend
i did not say conservative ideology leads to fascism. my whole point is fascism is a reactonary ideology that only appears when capitalism is in threat, its not a revolutionary force that appears even as capitalism is functioning as normal, only when social revolution is threatened as in the 2008 crysis and the occupy movement, and the denial of establishment politics can it have some room to breath, and even then its kept in check, trump did rise inside the estabilshment and has oppose republican party on any policy so far. why? cause ppl dont want fascism, its a last resort.
i literally said why u let them in
so ok, lets say only very few of the terrorists r actually refugees from countries where u want regime change, and lets say u stop the flow of muslim migrants, u will still be gunning and throwing money at them, giving them resources, u really think they cant orchestrate an attack with that? the usa funds its on terrorism so does the uk, the 9/11s were not afgh or iraqi, most of them were saudis, who is the leadership of daesh? saudi sheiks. who funds the minority rebels in yemen? the saudis. u wanna stop terrorism, stop participating in it, keep throwing guns and money to the saudis, u r gonna have a bad time
I probably agree with you on a lot of issues about regime change. But the reason why you would disagree with me. 1. Birth rates are incredibly low in western countries so they want immigrants to make it up, they don't really care about them being skilled. 2. The US doesn't want Russia to become a stronger political force because that will hurt america economically.
Also the whole idea of you guys being offended that interpretations of Islam can be construed as a militant religion but in the same breath saying conservative ideology can lead to racism/fascism is hilarious and shows your blatant double standard.
I'm not saying immigration is the cause of terrorism. Im saying that not having it in check allows it to happen. Even with your thought that we caused them to think this way, why would we let them come in unchecked? Why would we allow people with a grudge to enter freely?
guys we have reached max spin on marx's grave "Everyone's work and contribution is equal! We need the government to control everything so no one takes advantage of the system" marx is on nitro
lmao the gov doesnt impose fascism. never said that, the capitalist class does along with the petty burgeoisie and middle class, those r the core of fascists. seriously the us is not in a crisis? the country with the largest child poverty among devoloped countries? income inequality reaching always new records? its not in crisis perhaps to the riches, to the gdp, but for the regular folks, its time, better than 2008 SURE, BUT HOW HARD IS THAT
do u like even foreign policy???? those terries r coming from nowhere am i right, they just out of the blue decided lets be terrorists, and were like hey tahts cool. terrorism is not about immigration policies, its about western imperialism, take the most recent case, the manchester bombing, dude was from an anti-gaddafi community with alqaeda links, now where did they come from???????? easy, uk wanted gaddafi out(classic regime change), but no troops on the ground, WHO U GONNA CALL?? AL QAEDA TIED GROUPS!!! so u gun al qaeda tied groups to depose gaddafi, u also get some lybians settled in the uk to help that effort, u train them here send some back. now, lets take isis the big baddie, sometimes do u ever just go like, HOW IS DAESH GETTING GUNS???? oh yah i forgot saudi arabia will literally gun anyone who opposes iran!!!!!!! but wait who is gunning the saudis????? bam bam bam who is (drum roll) AMERICAAAAAAAAAA }F*CK YA
OH BUT ITS A PARTISAN ISSUE, AHHAHAHAH GOOD JOKE m8, obama gunned, hillary loved them saudis, and regime was her JAM, just like bush.
I believe communism is a childish ideology and extremely naive. Everyone's work and contribution is equal! We need the government to control everything so no one takes advantage of the system XDXD.
Also your whole ideal about capitalism is in decay and the government is pitting us against each other to stop socialism is dumb. We are not struggling economically like Germany was, nor are we struggling as much in the 30s. The true thing that got us out of the hole and created our current war policies is war profiteering.
There is terrorism going on in Europe due to failed immigration policies. Then there is failed immigration policies here that's letting in more people to become dependent on the state. People are becoming resentful of these policies and then they are angry they are getting scolded for it, so they get fished into white nationalism. Open borders at it's core is a right wing ideology because freedom of movement and cash is best for a free market.
i never called i a right wing movement??? but it is an undeniably conservative movement, but u could absotutely have some f*cking lunatic who thinks national bolshevism is not a joke and belive in it.
thnx 4 saying there is state in communism, thnx to recent techonlogies we can capture the energy of marx's spinning grave
also ppl who bring up arguments against "wasnt really socialism" not to defend the soviet system, but those ppl cant even grasp that there is a difference between marxism-leninsm and communism
my point is not germany had control over their capital, its capitalists had control over their capital, i literally said us had corporations there, and every single dollar made by german coca cola or ibm or standard oil was sent back to the us, and i wasnt talking to u in my first post i was always talking about this
THIS IS NONSENSE, the root of fascism is the capitalist holding on to their private ownsership style of producing and doing that by taking socialist rhetoric and turning it against the working class interests
You're whole argument is based around the point that Germany had control over their capital, they didn't. Outside interests did, if Hitler didn't have a legitimate reason of being against globalist and bankers then he wouldn't of came to power.
You are confusing where I stand on the spectrum because I'm pro bank regulation. In the US liberals have quashed just as many grass roots as republicans. Nothing came out of occupy wall street because "left" politicians don't actually care. if Sanders had an actual argument for what he wanted, was to tell Clinton to shove it when she would say, " You can't do that under Dodd-Frank.
You live in a fantasy land of "it wasn't real communism" I bet.
hitler was support by the us corporate structure, from ibm to coca cola to ford, they wanted a stronger anti communist rhetoric, wich they werent getting with FDR. that is what fascism is about, fascism isnt born out of ultranationalism or totalitarianism, both can happen without it. fascism without taking socialist rhetoric and opposing socialism isnt fascism. fascism only occurs when the private ownership economic system is in threat, the masters of capital get scarred support authoritarian actions like the enabling act of 1933, so that the state can be used against socialist, to crush proletarian organizing and even SHIFT those org AGAINST socialism, as hitler did with the lef wing of the n*zi party, b4 murdering them, u take the socialist movement and u turn it against socialism, protecting capital fascism is capitalism in decay, it has been always will be, thats my point idk what point u r trying to do with all these bank talks. when there is a possibility of mass grassroots movements amongst the working class like lets say occupy wall st or bernie sanders campaign, what the right does is oppose these movements with fascism, so u start stealing their lines, anti-elites, anti-wall st, anti-free trade, all in the vested interest of capital, u may talk bad things about all of these things but u give tax breaks to the rich, u give secretaries to the corporate elite, u just shift the blame the elite is not those rich ppl is the (((jews))), its the liberal media, its the enviromnent movement taking ur coal jobs NOT ABOUT GODDAMN SJWS F*CKING DENSE PEOPLE
Hitler wanted to improve the banking system, what are you talking about? Winston Churchill even said the main problem with Hitler was that he wanted to devoid the bankers of profit, and that the war could have been solved without a single shot. Germany wasn't so much capitalist on its own, other people were in control of their banking so they didn't care about the people.
This is also stupid because Trump is closer to FDR in what he says about banking than any liberal that has a shot at being pres would ever say.
capitalism had a major existencial crisis in the 30's, 2 options arrived, turn the working class on itself, what hitler did, everything bad is a globalist, jew or communist plot to ruin germany OR lets actually improve this system so it wont collapse as FDijailjapaneseR bravely said "It was this administration which saved the system of private profit and free enterprise after it had been dragged to the brink of ruin."
the rise of fascism in not about sjw, and yes about capialist elites using their political power to avoid socialism and revolution by turning the working class against each other, thats what happened in the 30's, that's what's happening now
Germany was screwed over from the first war, then bankers were screwing over everyone so they couldn't get ahead. So hitler came along and offered a way for them to be successful again he blamed bankers and jews. People were desperate.
As for hating get, again your opinions are just bad. FDR implemented the best banking policies this country has ever seen till lobbyists and bankers owned politicians kept chipping away at it. Then Clinton nuked it in the 90s to give banks free roam which was a big reason for the crash.
If Trump reinstates some sort of modern glass Steagall like he promised. It would be one of the best policies a president has done in probably 30 years.
hitler was totally hated by sjws, antisemitism was not at all rampant lmao, fdr wasnt racist at all 2, fascism is totally cause of sjw totally, u so understand the rise of fascism, u would rek Hannah Arendt in a debate m8
