Even if you want to go with the uptick of fascism and white nationalism. Attacking them doesn't help your cause. All it does is give them more ammunition to say, "look how crazy the left has become".
One of the funny things is you guys fail to do is understand correlation vs causation. "After Trump won the white house, hate crimes raised."
This could also do with the fact with the high increase of terrorism in western countries in the last few years. Saying that its the west's fault for not being inclusive enough and that we should all just come together. Then terrorism will stop; Is extremely naive and counter intuitive.
I'm not saying that hate crimes of any sort should ever happen, they shouldn't, nor should certain people be barred from entering. But the liberal apology tour for other groups and just blaming the west and white people, is part of the cause for the rise of "white nationalism".
For the liberals having such a high college graduate segment, it's really sad how naive their world view is.
"Dude" isn't an argument all the countries he listed have been overthrown or have deep troubles now. A country has to have an organized hierarchy to exist. Unless it's extremely small and no one has an interest in over throwing it.
im totally fine with debating the nuances of communism because it's an interesting topic that i'm not 100% sure about.
but your arguments so far have been a total strawman/misunderstanding of what communism actually is, and also "DAE think that SJWS are the cause of fascism?"
Guess what they didn't have civilization till they established a proper hierarchy. "Look at all these primitive civilizations, they didn't have classes."
Good Lord, classless societies cant exist, name one time a workers revolution happened and they got power. The coalition they gave the power to redistribute won't and never will step down. I have brought up other points regarding the ris of fascism and its cause that don't have to do with communism and you didn't argue those either.
lmao, people as a whole lived without state for much longer than with it, uk 200,000 years, mesopotamia being like under 20k old, not to mention kibbutz dont collapse, rojava is standing, catolinia endured while being attacked from the republican and nationalist side, zapatistas remain undefeated, free territory had to be militarlly crushed, but sure hierarquies r a human condition lmao
your points are founded on a complete misunderstanding of what communism is. you said that communism is the government controlling everything, when it's literally the opposite. why would i refute points that have nothing to do with reality?
You are literally the meme of not real communism. You're saying the difference between communism and Marxism is that they won't step down. My point is there is never going to be a time where someone steps down. People as a whole are too stupid to live without a social hierarchy.
again thats marxism-leninsm, and a revolution through those lens, a class imposing itself on another, a state will arise as a byproduct. take for instance piotr kropotkin or bakunin, they argue on how you must do an revolution without hierarquies so that no state arises from it, like the communes in spain. there r also orthodox marxist or leftcoms, who belive all activism is stupid, just wait capitalism will collapse and we will live in said society, state socialists societies r only a byproduct of forced revolutions where the proleterian hasnt achieved class consciousness, YOU MAY ARGUE THEY ALL SUCK AND R IMPOSSIBLE, YOU CAN DENY THEY EXIST OR THEIR IDEOLOGY DOESNT EXIST
u r acting like communism is only marxism leninsm and that is just fcking ignorant
To create a classless/stateless society you first have to form a coalition to take down those in power. That coalition will them just take up the reigns.
People: we want the state and classes abolished State: Ok : )
marxism-leninism is not the same thing as communism christ, literal definition of communism is a stateless, classless society, without private property, where from each according to his ability to each according to his need is the wealth distribution, EQUITY NOT EQUALITY
When was this ever said. I never said socialism and communism is interchangeable.
Even something said there is state control in communism. Communism takes control over all the business and is supposed to distribute the power among everyone. This never happens, the government just keep control.
Socialism is more about redistributing wealth and providing necessities not so much power.
This is just projecting and then factually wrong. The greater majority of young Isis fighters are well educated compared to their fellow countrymen. You can talk about how they have little knowledge of Islamic law but them being uneducated is a lie.
i mean, i do think that islam has some internal issues in it, but im willing to bet money that you haven't read a page of the quran or the sunnah.
also, the rise of isis is far more about anger toward the west because of us bombing the sh*t out of them and less about islam itself, since a whole bunch of the people who get recruited to isis are illiterate and couldn't even read the quran.
this is literally what i was taught in high school, and i was also taught that socialism and communism are basically interchangeable, so it's not surprising that a lot of ppl still think that communism is "the government does a bunch of stuff for ppl"
my implication is, germany's middle were the core of the n*zis and the n*zi party, u r following a very wrong logic fallacy of a 3rd grader, most fascists r middle class, not most middle class r fascists, like seriously??
my god learn to differentiate white nationalism and fascism, jesus, racism happens everywhere and america was founded on calvinistic ideas of execptionalism, so natonalism is widespread, ju can combine both the result not be fascism. lmao there was no revolt, the enablin act wasnt through the barrel of a gun, it was legislature. LMAO PLZ TELL ME HOW N*ZI GERMANY HAD COLLECTIVIZED THEIR ECONOMY
like do u even know the difference between private ownership of capital and market economy???? u can be capitalist with private ownership of capital and have a planned economy, take eisenhower copying the reichsautobahn, take every infrastucture investment ever. learn basic defitions
this immediately made me stop taking you seriously. you clearly don't have even a basic understanding of what communism is if you think that it has the government controlling everything, lol.
if you want to oppose communism from an ideological perspective, you should know what it is first.
