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Sandbox Court

about 8 years

Welcome to the Sandbox Court!

I've realized that a lot of people love to debate about many topics on Epicmafia, but don't have a proper place to express these opinions. Hence, I've come up with Sandbox court. Note: This thread is only for suggesting a case or asking to take part in the next case.

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Pending Cases

Inbox me if you'd like to join one. Include which ones you want to join, and your stance for them.

  • Do you think Net Neutrality should be protected? If not, what is the benefit of getting rid of it? (Protect: 4) (Don't: 3)

  • Do you believe that vaccination should be mandatory or optional? ‍ (Mandatory: 1) (Optional: 2)

  • Should countries take in Syrian Refugees? Would your answer change if you got to pick which religious groups can enter? ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ (Yes: 1) (No: 1) (Only specific groups: 0)

  • Barring external factors (i.e. AdSense), should people be banned for hateful comments? This does not include sustained individual harassment. (Participants: 2)

  • Is human cloning justified, and should it be permitted? (Random Teams)(Participants: 1)

How does it work?

Simply put, every Sunday, there will be a thread dedicated to a new court case. You can suggest a court case either in the comments below or in a pm to me, or any other people I designate as hosts. The case will always end on Saturday.

The topic for a court case can be anything, either on or off EpicMafia, but the more interesting it is then the more likely we will pick it. When a topic is picked, anyone can ask to be included in the court case on either side. For example, if the court case is abortion, then you can ask to be on the pro-life or pro-choice side. An example topic you can choose relating to EpicMafia might be whether or not banning users is effective.

On each of these threads, only the people who are debating can comment. However, there will be a poll included that allows users to vote which side they think is winning. This can be used to determine the winner. However, if not enough people vote or if there is a tie, then we might opt for judges to make the final decision.

Despite there being two teams usually in a court case, we will allow more than two if someone can present an additional point of view that differs from the others.

Rules

  • No harassment or personal attacks on the opposition. Doing so will result in a warning, and if continued, it will result in the person being removed from the debate. You are expected to always be respectful during debates.
  • You are NOT allowed to vote on more than one account. If we discover that multiple votes have been placed by you, then you will be disqualified from the voting process. If this was done by accident, please pm me.
  • Stay on topic. If you want to talk about things outside of the debate, then please do it somewhere else. Getting off topic will result in you being removed from the debate.
  • Rules are subject to change anytime for any reason at my discretion. I will inform of any rule changes to avoid confusion.
Sign here if
25 signed
You love to debate with other people because it's fun and allows you to experience the ideas of others from different backgrounds.
Would you consider taking part in this?
22
Yes, I would love to debate!
15
Yes, but I would only vote as the jury.
6
No.
about 8 years
por favor não escolha cerejas
about 8 years

cub says

dont remember

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I joined in 2013 for reference

and yeah, maybe you weren't around for it. You've been off for a while because you couldn't access EM for a short while, and on top of that you don't play every single game I play. It's not like there's hundreds of people running around screaming it on every chance they get but you're telling me it hasn't happened
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maybe you weren't around for it

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maybe you weren't around for it, usually it isn't tolerated thanks to the https://epicmafia.com/lobby/rules and https://epicmafia.com/tos
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shouldn't be allowed to exist in society


dont remember this said on em
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I'm not sure how that would apply if I was using things that are actually said on epic mafia

you also used cherrypicking near the end which is how it kinda died. I enjoyed conversing with you although I feel neither of us got anything new out of this experience.
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i used reductio ad absurdum by the way you'll need to know fallacies in a debate

it's also what you used at the beginning of this
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did you think this thread about debating topics like pineapple pizza and cloning was about epicmafia?
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if you say so
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Jimbei says

I don't see people using it here because they get banned for using it, Cub. If someone says a word that is generally used as a hateful term in an attempt to degrade or attack a group then it can be swung more towards harassment towards a player. It's stopping people who say legitimately harmful and hateful things to groups of people based on religion, sexuality, gender orientation, race, mental capabilities and other personal circumstances. This is a privately owned site owned by Lucid and the rules are in place to protect the users using it from constant harassment or hateful rhetoric, not opposing viewpoints. I think you don't understand these are two separate things.


this privately owned rubbish again

a deflection from principle
we're debating principle, that should be evident
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discerning why someone thinks something is part of a debate. you're having one right now
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cub says


Jimbei says

I don't know why'd I call you a bigot, why bring that up


because im defending them without agreeing with them, and i want to know why you think that is


it's not because you're a bigot, I still don't know why you'd make that insertion like I see anyone who would defend someone else without agreeing with them would make them a bigot, don't pin down how you think I see the world
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I don't see people using it here because they get banned for using it, Cub. If someone says a word that is generally used as a hateful term in an attempt to degrade or attack a group then it can be swung more towards harassment towards a player. It's stopping people who say legitimately harmful and hateful things to groups of people based on religion, sexuality, gender orientation, race, mental capabilities and other personal circumstances. This is a privately owned site owned by Lucid and the rules are in place to protect the users using it from constant harassment or hateful rhetoric, not opposing viewpoints. I think you don't understand these are two separate things.
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Jimbei says

I don't know why'd I call you a bigot, why bring that up


because im defending them without agreeing with them, and i want to know why you think that is
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hc can be used to target gays too, i said "death to gays" as an example of extreme hc you do not see people using here. it's still freedom of speech, but it actually challenges a peoples' right to exist. if someone refuses to bake a gay cake that is not the extermination of gays. you were being hyperbolic, that's what this was about. you're now saying "these non-extreme comments are bad, though" in defense of your saying there are extreme comments, which as you can tell makes no sense
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I don't know why'd I call you a bigot, why bring that up
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No I'm taking what you said word for word like you do with everything I said. "censorship as a solution to all my problems" is how you see me.

Also by saying that gays aren't the only people targeted by hc you're recognizing how it's being used to target people by certain groups, so thanks for helping point that out with me.



Any form of severe or excessive hate speech or hateful language based on race, sexual orientation, gender identity, religion, mental capabilities, and other personal circumstances.


Severe and excessive isn't "oh he said the F-slur once how awful", which I do admit is what I've reported for before unfortunately, which I no longer do because it really is making a mountain out of a mole hill. However, please keep in mind that this is applied to people shouting "Kill all the gays" and similar hateful rhetoric which has been banned multiple times and the reason on why the rule still exists.
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also you know enough about me that you can't just pin me down as a bigot, so what do you figure leads me to defend hc (that is hateful comments on this website, not hate crimes which are generally physical or otherwise with consequence and not guaranteed by freedom of speech)
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im not but you just said you don't support censorship, you did before, and that's a contradiction

p.s. gays aren't the only people targeted by hc, i don't think parudoks would like that you're excluding muslims
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cub says

although there aren't really a bunch of people saying "death to gays" on epicmafia



cub says

banning people for hc is censorship


I'm starting to see a funny correlation here
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banning people for hc is censorship
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Yeah, suggest a debate to Paru you feel would be appropriate is what I'm saying

and I don't.... either? I don't understand how you drew this as a conclusion but, well, I feel like I won't be changing your opinion anytime soon so carry on
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Jimbei says

So why don't you come and debate me to prove me wrong, cub? You seem to be good at it.


where i dont see a debate taking place other than this small meta debate



And I could agree with most issues but I'm not using a hyperbole, if you haven't noticed there are literal lawmakers that push for this agenda, first world or not. I feel you're pushing people to the extreme if you say "hey I need you to go against your belief in a god or sexuality or gender orientation for the sake of a debate"

If you want to do that yourself fine but leave me out of it simply


if you haven't noticed none of them browse epicmafia

you know why i don't get offended by everything and why i don't push for censorship as a solution to all my problems? seeing things from other peoples' perspectives and realizing that all their perspective needs to evolve is evidence to the contrary. that isn't provided by self-segregation where both sides become mythical creatures to the other through isolation but by looking eachother face to face and seeing humans
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bring out the dancing lobsters