america has legalised abortion since 1973, and i think it's working pretty well.
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but i'm not the one deciding. sure, in a position of political power i might push for different laws, but ultimately it's the parents decision whether they want to kill their child or not, and if you can tell me with a straight face that they have to bear the responsibility for an unwanted pregnancy for the rest of their lives after an impulsive human mistake all because homo sapiens have some transcendental right to life then you should also agree that this includes EVERYONE, meaning babies conceived from incest and r*pe deserve to live. i'm assuming anyone with their head screwed on properly would never concede to this, but then you concede that the right to live really is relative, otherwise everyone deserves a fair shot -- including those unfortunate aforementioned pregnancies.
deletedover 7 years
Killing humans you deem less worthy of life in chance of gaining a human that you deem more worthy of life is a pretty fk'd up thing Deciding who gets to live and who doesn't get to live and get a chance of life due to personal belief of what happiness is is essentially playing God, which has never, and will never work for a society
deletedover 7 years
killing babies makes me sad
deletedover 7 years
i think killing babies makes people sad
deletedover 7 years
yeah!
deletedover 7 years
so killing babies should be ok because killing babies make people happy?
did someone here actually think instinct is rational lmao what
deletedover 7 years
possibly, but it'd be extremely callous for me to condone that since i work with disabled children and some have a clearly happy disposition and could potentially live independently in the future.
then you have children born without a spine, who are almost guaranteed a miserable life, costing thousands in medical bills and requiring the full attention of parents and doctors - you have to ask yourself, why keep this child alive when you can have another which has a much better chance of leading a happy life with less suffering for other people?
this is just utilitarianism in its most extreme form and it might appear to be highly cruel on the surface but if you want a greater amount of people to be happy things like this are necessary
deletedover 7 years
If you need those things to be a Human Being is it ok to kill subr*tards because they aren't Human Beings?
deletedover 7 years
newborn child does not possess rationality, self awareness, is not capable of moral action or thought and has had no life experience. it's a homo sapien, the same species, but it's not truly a "human being". it is still, however, a sentient being, so causing pain to it wrong, just as stamping on bugs and kicking dogs is wrong. do you comprehend now? perhaps you need to indulge in the revolutionary process of "thinking"
deletedover 7 years
Euthanasia isn't what I'm "trying to get at," you passive aggressive f*ggot. I thought that baby humans were humans, but now I know they're not, so senseless killing is always wrong, but you have to decide if he's human first. It's clear now.
deletedover 7 years
after a few weeks the newborn has begun to develop an actual human life and shape into a person. i will concede that the few weeks is a fairly arbitrary standard so this part of the argument is a little shaky.
i would never condone causing pain to a sentient being for no justifiable reason, and i think the only situation in which that would be permissible was if the mother's life was in danger and the abortion process would have to be painful for whatever reason, though i really doubt that's a plausible scenario.
the difference between living and dying is, well you know, the state of being alive? euthanasia is an example of the lifelong killing you're trying to get at, and i'm sure most of the people who are saying abortion is wrong would advocate euthanasia if the person was clearly suffering, yet human life is supposed to be sacred and blah blah blah. i don't buy it.
deletedover 7 years
You can say that murder is ethical since life is hard
deletedover 7 years
what other edgy things can i say for shock humor
deletedover 7 years
torturing animals is fine too
deletedover 7 years
my fetish is abortions
deletedover 7 years
Why is baby gassing only ok for a few weeks blister? Why does it matter if it's painful? If you're a hard, rational thinker-man there's no real difference between living and dying so why shouldn't lifelong murder be ok?
deletedover 7 years
abortion is literally the 2nd most humane thing you can do it's more humane than subjecting a child to the suffering that is life
the most humane thing u can do is not conceive in the first place
you guys should look up antinatalism it's our responsibility to stop prolonging the existence of pain and suffering and work together towards extinction of the human race and maybe even all life period
deletedover 7 years
the self-proclaimed "realist of the world" has an argument that boils down to "i feel like babies shouldn't be killed"
deletedover 7 years
the killing would only be immoral if it caused pain to the foetus. the cutoff date for that is usually considered to be at the 20 week mark, but it's hard to answer generally.
that being said, there are some very tangible arguments for infanticide, and i'd probably stretch it to a few weeks after birth -- but only contingent on a painless death.
yes.
senseless torture against a sentient being is barbaric, but if i told you that administering 100 monkeys with parkinson's disease could help 10,000 human beings, i believe you'd be hard-pressed to tell me this is wrong.
yeah use this one when you're on trial for r*pe
you can't remember anything, but you were still able to interact with the world and begin to develop experience and a state of selfhood.
but yes, i would have absolutely no moral qualm in killing a newborn if there was a justifiable reason and it could be painless.
Ethic Debate
