Epicmafia

The Final Statement

almost 8 years

Christopherzilla's statement: https://epicmafia.com/topic/81853

This is true. Error's harassment of users in this lobby was never hidden -- it was always made public and Bebop refused to do anything about it each time it was brought to him.

It is unacceptable that someone who was put in a position to help the lobby and keep things running smoothly did so much to hurt the lobby and the people within it and it is unacceptable that it was allowed by our owner. Bebop never forced error to do these things and probably wasn't in cahoots with him, but Bebop enabled him to do these things to us and to our lobby. Bebop is liable.

I do believe people can can change and therefore you should not be said to be undeserving of owning this lobby because of things you have done in the past. Both Bebop and Merlot have done and said some nasty things in the past, it's very hypocritical for them to keep deeming Christopherzilla unworthy for things they claim you have done in the past. Like all others for me, Christopherzilla will be given a chance. The way Christopher wrote his statement makes me not worry. Christopher wrote it in a very professional manner and it makes it seem like he actually cares about us rather than holding a position of power like previous owners hav edone.

With error, however, he was given many opportunities to change and he did not. Error wasn't a person who just made a mistake by getting angry at a user and harassing them once, error was a person who is legitimately unstable and this site was no good for him. He had many serious personal issues that he always came to this lobby to complain about to his tight-knit circle of friends and took his angry out on undeserving users. Error let his emotions get the best of him and that is how he works -- it was not a one time thing. Error did not deserve to have his position for as long as he did because the type of person he is should not be put in any type of leadership position or position of power because those types abuse it and cannot handle it.

I don't think we need to sugarcoat things with error. He is not a good person and his personal issues do not make it forgivable for him to do all the things he's done. I think Christopher's response here regarding error was fine.

Bebop's statement: https://epicmafia.com/topic/81854

Not surprising that this was handled so unprofessionally as Bebop wrote it.

I support Golbolco, I think Golbolco would be a fine owner, but I think where you are making a mistake is truly believing that it matters who the owner is right now. Christopher is currently the owner and he has spoken about protecting the people. This is what a good owner should do. He wants to protect us from the things you allowed during your reign. He should be given a chance to prove himself.

I'm certain that no matter who was made owner that the only logical successor for that person would be Golbolco and I don't think you have to worry about Golbolco's chance being taken away because she eventually will get her lobby -- but today is not the day and that isn't necessarily a bad thing.

It is not important who is the owner at the moment. What is important is how that person handles the lobby in the coming weeks. We need a strong leader and if that happens to be Christopherzilla, then so be it.

Let us all welcome our new owner Christopherzilla and allow him a chance to do what Bebop did not do -- protect us.

Golbolco's statement: https://epicmafia.com/topic/81861

Cub's statement: https://epicmafia.com/topic/81858

Give Christopherzilla a chance

13 signed

Stop worrying about who you want in power and start worrying about the state of our lobby!

Jamal is the greatest

Hail

Yes

BBJaycee

almost 8 years

As someone who has really only played games and never delved into the sandbox community besides that, would someone be able to give me a rundown on some of the issues that sandbox has and what work could be done (those are some phrases from this thread)? I understand that who the owner is matters, of course, but what exactly does the Sandbox owner do to improve Sandbox? I feel that my experience now is the same as it was back in late 2014, when I first started playing. I believe that there are things that happen behind the scenes, I'm just genuinely curious as to what they are.

JamalMarley

almost 8 years

Bebop says

If I'm so terrible Jamal, why have you endorsed me several times for site admin?

I did not say you were terrible.

I said you were liable for the things error did to us and that is a fact.

I think you are a fine site moderator because all you really do is moderate reports and because you were the only site moderator that I knew that wasn't completely insane, I said that you should be the next site administrator after error. I assumed you would be better than moderators like Arcbell who tried to justify a racist comment made towards me.

I also said that you have been acting unprofessional and hypocritical with how you are responding to this situation and that is also a fact.

Dag

almost 8 years

you created a monster with tokens bebop haha xd

Bebop

almost 8 years

If I'm so terrible Jamal, why have you endorsed me several times for site admin?

JamalMarley

almost 8 years

Jimbei says

Jamal's views on the lobby always mysteriously tries to align with the current owner, I wonder why...

Also I was very vocal about believing Bebop to be an incapable owner for a long time yet he wanted us to be civil so we were, but I did not remain silent when he did something wrong.

I asked Chris long ago to help save the lobby, I always thought of him to be capable. If he does something wrong, I will speak up against him as I would if Golbolco was in this position and did something wrong or anyone else.

I am for the people -- not for the owner.

SirAmelio

almost 8 years

Jimbei says

Jimbei says

Jamal's views on the lobby always mysteriously tries to align with the current owner, I wonder why...

Amelio's*

/banter

you probably werent around during kenny's, hima's, garden's and first half of bebop's ownerships then

Dag

almost 8 years

anti-christ

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Jimbei says

Jamal's views on the lobby always mysteriously tries to align with the current owner, I wonder why...

Amelio's*

/banter

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SirAmelio says

im neutral on the chris vs golbolco issue. both of them are two people who i think will continue to lead the lobby the right way, and are both people who im willing to work with as a mod if they want me to.

lol

JamalMarley

almost 8 years

Jimbei says

Did Golbolco ever say she wanted sandbox, or was this just the anti-Chris group speaking out?

It's the anti-Chris group speaking out.

I'm sure if she was offered the lobby she wouldn't decline, but she's not throwing a fit because she is not owner and she isn't demanding the lobby.

JamalMarley

almost 8 years

Dag says

golbolco brings life to this lobby, you just can't hate her. she does everything in a passionate way, she is full of life. make this lady owner already.

She will get her turn, but we shouldn't be going against our current owner just because he isn't Golbolco.

I don't think Golbolco is going to stop putting effort into the things she does in the lobby and I'm certain that she'll be awarded with a lobby moderator position during Christopher's reign.

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Did Golbolco ever say she wanted sandbox, or was this just the anti-Chris group speaking out?

SirAmelio

almost 8 years

Dag says

SirAmelio says

Dag says

SirAmelio says

i dont think its a matter of who deserves it more, tbh

care to explain bro?

too long to quote

that fair, as a lobby mod. do you agree with the two points that i talked about?
if yes, don't you think that since there isn't alot to do, shouldn't the owner be the one who deserve it the most?

i think bebop was good for the lobby for the most part, i agree with you there, yes.

im neutral on the chris vs golbolco issue. both of them are two people who i think will continue to lead the lobby the right way, and are both people who im willing to work with as a mod if they want me to.

i also agree golbolco has, at least this year, done more for the lobby than christopherzilla.

but i dont think the lobby will suffer many changes if we compare one with the other, so i honestly see no point in arguing between both of them.

honestly i think all three of bebop, christopherzilla and golbolco would lead a very similar ownership at this point of time.

JamalMarley

almost 8 years

Dag says

not gonna argue with a rp account who never admit being wrong btw lol

All of us are having a discussion on my thread, you don't want to be proven wrong and that is why you will not argue with me.

Bebop did not have a good influence on the lobby. He did not decrease rule breaking activity unless you consider changing the rules so that he doesn't have to punish someone he likes decreasing rule breaking activity.

He changed rules so he didn't have to punish people he liked, he did not always enforce rules equally, and sometimes he did not enforce rules at all.

The data on the rule breaking activity is skewed by all of the shady things Bebop has done.

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I was going to debate you Amelio but really, yeah, no one deserves anything. Really, if you come into sandbox thinking they owe you something you're in for another thing.

Really the only thing people deserve is respect after they've given it, but that's still hard enough to get around here isn't it

Dag

almost 8 years

golbolco brings life to this lobby, you just can't hate her. she does everything in a passionate way, she is full of life. make this lady owner already.

Dag

almost 8 years

not gonna argue with a rp account who never admit being wrong btw lol

Dag

almost 8 years

ballsy says

Dag says

ballsy says

Dag says

- regardless of the cliquey things, bebop had a good influence on this lobby. just take a look at mod actions thread and notice how the rule breaking activity decreased in the past months.

2 reasons why this happened.

1. He changed the HC rule

2. Most of it was dealt with in reports and not reported in the mod actions thread.

do you disagree that he had a good influence y/n ?

y when it comes to rule breakers

c'mon bro, rule breakers will always exist lol.

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Dag says

ballsy says

Dag says

- regardless of the cliquey things, bebop had a good influence on this lobby. just take a look at mod actions thread and notice how the rule breaking activity decreased in the past months.

2 reasons why this happened.

1. He changed the HC rule

2. Most of it was dealt with in reports and not reported in the mod actions thread.

do you disagree that he had a good influence y/n ?

y when it comes to rule breakers

JamalMarley

almost 8 years

Dag says

ballsy says

Dag says

- regardless of the cliquey things, bebop had a good influence on this lobby. just take a look at mod actions thread and notice how the rule breaking activity decreased in the past months.

2 reasons why this happened.

1. He changed the HC rule

2. Most of it was dealt with in reports and not reported in the mod actions thread.

do you disagree that he had a good influence y/n ?

How did he have good influence on this lobby?

Do you have another example other than rule breaking activity decreasing (which is not true)?

Dag

almost 8 years

SirAmelio says

Dag says

SirAmelio says

i dont think its a matter of who deserves it more, tbh

care to explain bro?

sure, in order:

chris didnt do crap for the lobby pre-ownership

kenny didnt do crap for the lobby pre-ownership

platy didnt do crap for the lobby pre-ownership

golbolco didnt do crap for the lobby pre-ownership

hima did some things for the lobby pre-ownership but most people nowadays will argue it was bad

platy didn't do anything in between his two ownerships

gardenfulloflies didnt do crap for the lobby pre-ownership

bebop didnt do crap for the lobby pre-ownership

jimbei didnt do crap for the lobby pre-ownership

golbolco at that point hadn't done as much, so maybe just a bit.

bebop got his lobby back and the only thing he has done by then was the crap he did as owner

that fair, as a lobby mod. do you agree with the two points that i talked about?
if yes, don't you think that since there isn't alot to do, shouldn't the owner be the one who deserve it the most?

Dag

almost 8 years

ballsy says

Dag says

- regardless of the cliquey things, bebop had a good influence on this lobby. just take a look at mod actions thread and notice how the rule breaking activity decreased in the past months.

2 reasons why this happened.

1. He changed the HC rule

2. Most of it was dealt with in reports and not reported in the mod actions thread.

do you disagree that he had a good influence y/n ?

JamalMarley

almost 8 years

Dag says

JamalMarley says

fix the issues within the lobby.

the imaginary issues.

This lobby is toxic and that is an issue.

SirAmelio

almost 8 years

Dag says

SirAmelio says

i dont think its a matter of who deserves it more, tbh

care to explain bro?

sure, in order:

chris didnt do crap for the lobby pre-ownership

kenny didnt do crap for the lobby pre-ownership

platy didnt do crap for the lobby pre-ownership

golbolco didnt do crap for the lobby pre-ownership

hima did some things for the lobby pre-ownership but most people nowadays will argue it was bad

platy didn't do anything in between his two ownerships

gardenfulloflies didnt do crap for the lobby pre-ownership

bebop didnt do crap for the lobby pre-ownership

jimbei didnt do crap for the lobby pre-ownership

golbolco at that point hadn't done as much, so maybe just a bit.

bebop got his lobby back and the only thing he has done by then was the crap he did as owner

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SirAmelio says

i dont think its a matter of who deserves it more, tbh

none of the previous owners had done crap for the lobby pre-ownership

maybe that's the problem tho lol