This is true. Error's harassment of users in this lobby was never hidden -- it was always made public and Bebop refused to do anything about it each time it was brought to him.
It is unacceptable that someone who was put in a position to help the lobby and keep things running smoothly did so much to hurt the lobby and the people within it and it is unacceptable that it was allowed by our owner. Bebop never forced error to do these things and probably wasn't in cahoots with him, but Bebop enabled him to do these things to us and to our lobby. Bebop is liable.
I do believe people can can change and therefore you should not be said to be undeserving of owning this lobby because of things you have done in the past. Both Bebop and Merlot have done and said some nasty things in the past, it's very hypocritical for them to keep deeming Christopherzilla unworthy for things they claim you have done in the past. Like all others for me, Christopherzilla will be given a chance. The way Christopher wrote his statement makes me not worry. Christopher wrote it in a very professional manner and it makes it seem like he actually cares about us rather than holding a position of power like previous owners hav edone.
With error, however, he was given many opportunities to change and he did not. Error wasn't a person who just made a mistake by getting angry at a user and harassing them once, error was a person who is legitimately unstable and this site was no good for him. He had many serious personal issues that he always came to this lobby to complain about to his tight-knit circle of friends and took his angry out on undeserving users. Error let his emotions get the best of him and that is how he works -- it was not a one time thing. Error did not deserve to have his position for as long as he did because the type of person he is should not be put in any type of leadership position or position of power because those types abuse it and cannot handle it.
I don't think we need to sugarcoat things with error. He is not a good person and his personal issues do not make it forgivable for him to do all the things he's done. I think Christopher's response here regarding error was fine.
Not surprising that this was handled so unprofessionally as Bebop wrote it.
I support Golbolco, I think Golbolco would be a fine owner, but I think where you are making a mistake is truly believing that it matters who the owner is right now. Christopher is currently the owner and he has spoken about protecting the people. This is what a good owner should do. He wants to protect us from the things you allowed during your reign. He should be given a chance to prove himself.
I'm certain that no matter who was made owner that the only logical successor for that person would be Golbolco and I don't think you have to worry about Golbolco's chance being taken away because she eventually will get her lobby -- but today is not the day and that isn't necessarily a bad thing.
It is not important who is the owner at the moment. What is important is how that person handles the lobby in the coming weeks. We need a strong leader and if that happens to be Christopherzilla, then so be it.
Let us all welcome our new owner Christopherzilla and allow him a chance to do what Bebop did not do -- protect us.
As someone who has really only played games and never delved into the sandbox community besides that, would someone be able to give me a rundown on some of the issues that sandbox has and what work could be done (those are some phrases from this thread)? I understand that who the owner is matters, of course, but what exactly does the Sandbox owner do to improve Sandbox? I feel that my experience now is the same as it was back in late 2014, when I first started playing. I believe that there are things that happen behind the scenes, I'm just genuinely curious as to what they are.
I said you were liable for the things error did to us and that is a fact.
I think you are a fine site moderator because all you really do is moderate reports and because you were the only site moderator that I knew that wasn't completely insane, I said that you should be the next site administrator after error. I assumed you would be better than moderators like Arcbell who tried to justify a racist comment made towards me.
I also said that you have been acting unprofessional and hypocritical with how you are responding to this situation and that is also a fact.
Also I was very vocal about believing Bebop to be an incapable owner for a long time yet he wanted us to be civil so we were, but I did not remain silent when he did something wrong.
I asked Chris long ago to help save the lobby, I always thought of him to be capable. If he does something wrong, I will speak up against him as I would if Golbolco was in this position and did something wrong or anyone else.
She will get her turn, but we shouldn't be going against our current owner just because he isn't Golbolco.
I don't think Golbolco is going to stop putting effort into the things she does in the lobby and I'm certain that she'll be awarded with a lobby moderator position during Christopher's reign.
deletedover 9 years ago
Did Golbolco ever say she wanted sandbox, or was this just the anti-Chris group speaking out?
i think bebop was good for the lobby for the most part, i agree with you there, yes.
im neutral on the chris vs golbolco issue. both of them are two people who i think will continue to lead the lobby the right way, and are both people who im willing to work with as a mod if they want me to.
i also agree golbolco has, at least this year, done more for the lobby than christopherzilla.
but i dont think the lobby will suffer many changes if we compare one with the other, so i honestly see no point in arguing between both of them.
honestly i think all three of bebop, christopherzilla and golbolco would lead a very similar ownership at this point of time.
All of us are having a discussion on my thread, you don't want to be proven wrong and that is why you will not argue with me.
Bebop did not have a good influence on the lobby. He did not decrease rule breaking activity unless you consider changing the rules so that he doesn't have to punish someone he likes decreasing rule breaking activity.
He changed rules so he didn't have to punish people he liked, he did not always enforce rules equally, and sometimes he did not enforce rules at all.
The data on the rule breaking activity is skewed by all of the shady things Bebop has done.
deletedover 9 years ago
I was going to debate you Amelio but really, yeah, no one deserves anything. Really, if you come into sandbox thinking they owe you something you're in for another thing.
Really the only thing people deserve is respect after they've given it, but that's still hard enough to get around here isn't it
golbolco brings life to this lobby, you just can't hate her. she does everything in a passionate way, she is full of life. make this lady owner already.
that fair, as a lobby mod. do you agree with the two points that i talked about? if yes, don't you think that since there isn't alot to do, shouldn't the owner be the one who deserve it the most?
