Edark, Cody, Dahlia decided the below case did not justify an unban.
Arcbell - neutral as always. Offered $50 to james to unban him. Funny, but inherently scummy
Then they added 4 months to abc's ban.
And banned me as well (I actually deserved it tho). Damn I actually put real effort in this and they took a few back and forths to dismiss it. that university i went to was a waste cuz this was the simplest case on the planet
Alright. This is a personal test from me to mods. The only try hard piece of writing you'll ever encounter out of me on this website. Mods. You have simple duties on this party game website. That's to 1- keep it alive, 2- keep users happy, 3- and clean up the forums from terrifying words like mong and incorrect gender pronoun usage
INTRODUCTION
I point out the following reasons why he deserves a release: 1- he is spiteful as a banned user and the community suffers for it, this will be removed obviously, 2- the site gains nothing with his “ban”,
3- his ban doesnt even stop him from being banned in the first place (rofl), 4- philosophically it follows that he would abandon all sense of rules and be a trouble maker while exiled from a society that enforces these rules and in such a case, him breaking rules w/ this status is perfectly f'ucking reasonable. This is not a case that justifies continuing his perpetual ban.
Listen, ABC is only going to continue pestering until you do the right thing and give him his due freedom. It will continue on and on and on. What pros have you uncovered over the past 2 years he's been banned. Have there been cheating and round pausing every round since? Have there been nonstop GT alts showing up? Or trolls in every game destroying competition? Yes, this is an endless problem that is only facilitated by wrongly banning users who then spite this entire community. So, unban this f'ucker.
Also how is the site changed by keeping abc banned. Nothing changes. It's simply funny how no one gets this. All that has happened is you've changed his status to banned user while he bypasses on alts, nonstop. Have we defeated a main villain and all misery ends? Does the site get anything beneficial at all? Does the community get any healthier, cleaner, warmer? Is there some glow of energy filled with epicmafia justice powder sprayed from Rutab's cow utter onto tables as we play? Well he's been on the site his whole ban. He's been on today. You aren't stopping him. Look at the OP in that 'confessions' thread. He's been playing actively this entire time. do the most logical thing and unban
His status as a banned user with no release date acts as a propellant to his bad behavior. Why wouldn't it? He has no reason to expect being released. And I swear, Edark, if you think him doing bad things while being PERPETUALLY banned is a reason to keep him banned, then you are basically dictating. To illustrate, if I personally feel in my mind there is no date for my release from jail, and I'm perpetually stuck with no freedom, then I feel I have nothing to lose by breaking any rules. It's as if there is no more authority or rules. Because being perma stuck in a prison does this to most people. You basically created a situation that allows his no respect for rules attitude. Is there one simple fix to this? Could it be to f’ucking give a man his due f'ucking freedom?
This s'hit is simple philosophy and was explained succinctly by Sirius in the other thread. But you read one snippet from someone else that mentioned in one comment that "he wont ever reform, heerpp" then you hammered a decision based on that saying, “he aint getting unbanned.” Quest then self deletes.
-vovvisarna
TL;DR- Unban Quest. If you don't then I expect a lengthy and thorough argument made against every point in this post BY BOTH ADMINS. I guarantee the arguments made here should convince any unbiased person of logic and reason.
Poll
Did you read this entire post? If not don't vote. If yes, then answer: do you agree with my argument?
- When's the last time anyone handed out a ban for a few tossed games? Isn't the first offense a warning then a trophy suspension? Doesn't all game in a round fall under the same offense unless it's cheating or whatever?
*this is probably skewing your view more than a little bit; we're all aware that ABC's done some sketchy stuff in the past but I've not seen pôrn on the forums in an age now.
i quite frankly don't care either way but i'll tell you why your reasoning doesn't hold logical water.
if you take the the premise to be that he's reformed and hasn't broken rules in a while and as such deserves another chance as an unbanned user, then you get nowhere because just recently he's disregarded the rules and done whatever he's wanted. i understand that you're saying that he saw himself as "permanently banned without a chance at reprieve" and as such is "justified" in what he did, but even that isn't true because i told him that if he behaved himself and didn't break any rules while he was on sanctity and then later unbanned from custom lobbies as quest he would be considered for a real unban/leash.
to be reformed probably means that you'd take that kind of deal seriously and not break the rules while it's active, and he didn't show that, at least to me.
if that's not the premise, then i don't think there's a case at all. unbanning him because we're scared of what he'll do as a banned user isn't sustainable. yes, it can be seen as a one-time deal that won't be repeated with others, but it sends the wrong message, specifically that if you're malicious enough then you can just get unbanned because we're afraid of what you'd do otherwise.
tl;dr: i gave him plenty a chance to demonstrate his good will and show that he no longer was spiteful towards the site, but he took those opportunities and threw them away which left us in the situation we're in now
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Alright hang on. Back up, Edark. This is why I wanted you to step away from this. You're not going to get emotional with me dude. THERE ARE ARGUMENTS MADE IN THE OP THAT JUSTIFY HIS UNBAN. ACTUAL ARGUMENTS. NOT "WHAT IF HE DID THIS OR THAT OR IS LYING ABOUT X,Y,Z"
THE FACT THAT JAMES THREW RECENTLY HELPS THE CASE. HE ADMITTED TO IT. SO WHERE IS THE LENIENCY YOU SAID YOU'D GIVE?
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@Dahlia Honestly, if you're going to mock my sound argument, and not bother to respond properly when its ur actual job to, then like how are you guys (all cheaters and gt'ers as well) any better than some guy who's been banned for 2 years
its not my job to listen to your "sound" argument and reply properly, my job is teaching English to high school students.
=)
Yeah so your patronizing here for no reason. Is it because abc is the topic of discussion and his unban? IDGI. How are these people mods. Their bias is so transparent. They all come in here with a prejudice view
Those things you just listed were admitted by james in his AMA. Why did you not show leniency for that?
The throwing against dyl and pam was not listed. Half truths does not make you an honest person. It was also not listed originally but I had to push him to confess it.
His original statement was that he had never done something bad during his 2 years ban, which was just false and later backtracked to "2 years of not OPI'ing and 3 months of not cheating", which also proved to be false. How can I trust someone who keeps on lying to my face?
deleteddeletedalmost 10 years ago
@Dahlia Honestly, if you're going to mock my sound argument, and not bother to respond properly when its ur actual job to, then like how are you guys (all cheaters and gt'ers as well) any better than some guy who's been banned for 2 years
its not my job to listen to your "sound" argument and reply properly, my job is teaching English to high school students.
=)
High school students already know English
I'm sure this sounded like a good post in your head but consider that 1. no, they really don't. at all, and 2. its in france
Those things you just listed were admitted by james in his AMA. Why did you not show leniency for that?
Vuvuzela if he's admitting to this stuff he's probably trying to put himself into a victim narrative without any expectation to be unbanned. Don't do his work for him
deleteddeletedalmost 10 years ago
@Dahlia Honestly, if you're going to mock my sound argument, and not bother to respond properly when its ur actual job to, then like how are you guys (all cheaters and gt'ers as well) any better than some guy who's been banned for 2 years
its not my job to listen to your "sound" argument and reply properly, my job is teaching English to high school students.
=)
Yeah so your patronizing here for no reason. Is it because abc is the topic of discussion and his unban? IDGI. How are these people mods. Their bias is so transparent. They all come in here with a prejudice view
Out of all things that has been posted the last few days this comment actually annoyed me. Here I am posting lengthy replies and you think Im writing "semi thoughtful replies" smh
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Edark:
Those things you just listed were admitted by james in his AMA. Why did you not show leniency for that?
@Dahlia Honestly, if you're going to mock my sound argument, and not bother to respond properly when its ur actual job to, then like how are you guys (all cheaters and gt'ers as well) any better than some guy who's been banned for 2 years
its not my job to listen to your "sound" argument and reply properly, my job is teaching English to high school students.
" I guarantee the arguments made here should convince any unbiased person of logic and reason."
If you're serious about this then please, go on. This will problably be the last chance Im actually going to bother replying seriously to this subject. As stated, you can always PM Nathan if you dont wish to argue with me, but Im quite confident that he wont budge either.
OK. Tell me what you've read and haven't read. And I will go from there
I've posted my replies, please respond to them and rebute them if you can instead of asking me to step away from the case.
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@Dahlia Honestly, if you're going to mock my sound argument, and not bother to respond properly when its ur actual job to, then like how are you guys (all cheaters and gt'ers as well) any better than some guy who's been banned for 2 years
its not my job to listen to your "sound" argument and reply properly, my job is teaching English to high school students.
The whole "unban him since he will just throw regardless" is a bad and flawed argument that implies we cant trust him when he is unbanned yet states we can do so when he isnt, which has proven again and again to be false.
He also got a chance by cody who initially unbanned him and would have completely given him a leash if he didnt do any throwing during the 3 month duration, which he failed to do aswell.
Dunno, he went on for months and months before even tossing the smallest of games last time.
He has done the following the last months:
Threw for Dyl Threw for Vilden Threw agains xJuicy and Pam
This is all that Im aware of, considering its abc Im sure he has done a whole lot more than this.
I'm no super fan of James', but I don't think there's any argument that holds ground as to why he should remain banned.
deleteddeletedalmost 10 years ago
Edark, you're just not getting it dude
You're REALLY not getting it
Is there a way you can back away from this case
" I guarantee the arguments made here should convince any unbiased person of logic and reason."
If you're serious about this then please, go on. This will problably be the last chance Im actually going to bother replying seriously to this subject. As stated, you can always PM Nathan if you dont wish to argue with me, but Im quite confident that he wont budge either.
OK. Tell me what you've read and haven't read. And I will go from there