Edark, Cody, Dahlia decided the below case did not justify an unban.
Arcbell - neutral as always. Offered $50 to james to unban him. Funny, but inherently scummy
Then they added 4 months to abc's ban.
And banned me as well (I actually deserved it tho). Damn I actually put real effort in this and they took a few back and forths to dismiss it. that university i went to was a waste cuz this was the simplest case on the planet
Alright. This is a personal test from me to mods. The only try hard piece of writing you'll ever encounter out of me on this website. Mods. You have simple duties on this party game website. That's to 1- keep it alive, 2- keep users happy, 3- and clean up the forums from terrifying words like mong and incorrect gender pronoun usage
INTRODUCTION
I point out the following reasons why he deserves a release: 1- he is spiteful as a banned user and the community suffers for it, this will be removed obviously, 2- the site gains nothing with his “ban”,
3- his ban doesnt even stop him from being banned in the first place (rofl), 4- philosophically it follows that he would abandon all sense of rules and be a trouble maker while exiled from a society that enforces these rules and in such a case, him breaking rules w/ this status is perfectly f'ucking reasonable. This is not a case that justifies continuing his perpetual ban.
Listen, ABC is only going to continue pestering until you do the right thing and give him his due freedom. It will continue on and on and on. What pros have you uncovered over the past 2 years he's been banned. Have there been cheating and round pausing every round since? Have there been nonstop GT alts showing up? Or trolls in every game destroying competition? Yes, this is an endless problem that is only facilitated by wrongly banning users who then spite this entire community. So, unban this f'ucker.
Also how is the site changed by keeping abc banned. Nothing changes. It's simply funny how no one gets this. All that has happened is you've changed his status to banned user while he bypasses on alts, nonstop. Have we defeated a main villain and all misery ends? Does the site get anything beneficial at all? Does the community get any healthier, cleaner, warmer? Is there some glow of energy filled with epicmafia justice powder sprayed from Rutab's cow utter onto tables as we play? Well he's been on the site his whole ban. He's been on today. You aren't stopping him. Look at the OP in that 'confessions' thread. He's been playing actively this entire time. do the most logical thing and unban
His status as a banned user with no release date acts as a propellant to his bad behavior. Why wouldn't it? He has no reason to expect being released. And I swear, Edark, if you think him doing bad things while being PERPETUALLY banned is a reason to keep him banned, then you are basically dictating. To illustrate, if I personally feel in my mind there is no date for my release from jail, and I'm perpetually stuck with no freedom, then I feel I have nothing to lose by breaking any rules. It's as if there is no more authority or rules. Because being perma stuck in a prison does this to most people. You basically created a situation that allows his no respect for rules attitude. Is there one simple fix to this? Could it be to f’ucking give a man his due f'ucking freedom?
This s'hit is simple philosophy and was explained succinctly by Sirius in the other thread. But you read one snippet from someone else that mentioned in one comment that "he wont ever reform, heerpp" then you hammered a decision based on that saying, “he aint getting unbanned.” Quest then self deletes.
-vovvisarna
TL;DR- Unban Quest. If you don't then I expect a lengthy and thorough argument made against every point in this post BY BOTH ADMINS. I guarantee the arguments made here should convince any unbiased person of logic and reason.
Poll
Did you read this entire post? If not don't vote. If yes, then answer: do you agree with my argument?
I AGREE AND READ 100%69%9
I DISAGREE AND READ 100%30%4
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I got Edark's semi thoughtful reply. And that's it dude
" I guarantee the arguments made here should convince any unbiased person of logic and reason."
If you're serious about this then please, go on. This will problably be the last chance Im actually going to bother replying seriously to this subject. As stated, you can always PM Nathan if you dont wish to argue with me, but Im quite confident that he wont budge either.
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@Dahlia Honestly, if you're going to mock my sound argument, and not bother to respond properly when its ur actual job to, then like how are you guys (all cheaters and gt'ers as well) any better than some guy who's been banned for 2 years
Dyl doesn't actually know how to play mafia without cheating, but he thinks he does and he wants people to think he does, so since he's starting to lose a lot he's going to go back to cheating pretty soon. keep ur eyes open
Don't blame him for lying when hes trying to finally get his unban dude. What would you do if it were you
would you have unbanned him if he just outted that he threw some games recently, i doubt you would
Perhaps this is a foreign concept to people but if they tell the truth I when I ask for it I will obviously show leniency. Example: I offered leniency to roo if he confessed everything and cooperated with me but sadly he just lied(Im not sure why, it wasnt like abc was going to out it if he did lie regardless which is why I initially trusted him when he showed me the logs) and he ended up with a 4 month ban with no chance of leash.
abc could have confessed and had multiple chances to do so if he legitmately was reformed, but in the end he just lied and threw like he always do
The whole "unban him since he will just throw regardless" is a bad and flawed argument that implies we cant trust him when he is unbanned yet states we can do so when he isnt, which has proven again and again to be false.
He also got a chance by cody who initially unbanned him and would have completely given him a leash if he didnt do any throwing during the 3 month duration, which he failed to do aswell.
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Don't blame him for lying when hes trying to finally get his unban dude. What would you do if it were you
would you have unbanned him if he just outted that he threw some games recently, i doubt you would
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Edark, he is a 2 year banned user. Leave what he's done (a few end game tosses) in the past and offer forgiveness. Those tosses are a result of him repeatedly being f'cked on this website lol. He really is trying to get unbanned though. He used to play 50 games or something in any given round on alts. Now, he comes back after weeks at a time and plays a handful
He spends most his time on a forum maf site or something cuz he's banned here
I know you've discussed this loads. But no one has explained properly up until now why it's actually a fair unban. Give me a chance here mate I put so much effort into this because I know James personally. He's a really level headed, decent dude. I also leaked a log to pamda which ended up keeping james banned. All it was was James replying to me saying "yh" which was the confirmation apparently. So think of this as me trying to make it up to him cuz I know how hard he tried to get unbanned. He doesn't know abt this leak so I'm just now revealing it.
And I've called for some of your mods to comment and it's just vacant in here because it's such a one sided argument in favor of unbanning. It is as though they cannot come up with any argument..
I only ask not to make snap decision bc the fact you already said "no" a few times. you're afraid to go back on ur decision. you will look even better if you went back on it. It shows an ability to change viewpoint and is honorable. I can't name any mods who can do this. Everyone has too much pride.
Edark, do it.
-vovvisarna
You cant really say he is trying so hard to get unbanned when he just threw with Rooo. He also lied when I confronted with him and asked him to confess everything he did. Perhaps if he didnt lie for the 100th time I might actually have cut him a deal, but sadly he didnt since *gasp* he isnt reformed.
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Arcbell, Nathan, hedger, vedd, and Cody, could you respond to this thread with your personal conclusions please
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Arcbell was probably neutral as usual and let the remaining SJWs crush abc's chances
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I think you should reconsider mate. He got no mod support at all? I'm really stunned
Also don't lock this yet. I want to get proper mod responses
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I know you've discussed this loads. But no one has explained properly up until now why it's actually a fair unban. Give me a chance here mate I put so much effort into this because I know James personally. He's a really level headed, decent dude. I also leaked a log to pamda which ended up keeping james banned. All it was was James replying to me saying "yh" which was the confirmation apparently. So think of this as me trying to make it up to him cuz I know how hard he tried to get unbanned. He doesn't know abt this leak so I'm just now revealing it.
And I've called for some of your mods to comment and it's just vacant in here because it's such a one sided argument in favor of unbanning. It is as though they cannot come up with any argument..
I only ask not to make snap decision bc the fact you already said "no" a few times. you're afraid to go back on ur decision. you will look even better if you went back on it. It shows an ability to change viewpoint and is honorable. I can't name any mods who can do this. Everyone has too much pride.
I'm unaware of how mods think. (probably nothing at all)
My impression of Edark right now is an elementary PE teacher tired of being bullied. He's just so relaxed(apathetic) about decisions and says, "whatever let's do it." and weird calls like "this is silly i'm locking this."
He prob can't make a good logical call here
Im...so...tired....please....
Nah but seriously he isnt getting unbanned as long as Im around. Feel free to usurp me or PM nathan if you wish to argue about this, but this decision has already been "discussed" and I've already replied to this countless of times, it wont really get any more serious responses from me.
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So Mori disagrees. Her reason is it sets precedent. I explain how it could never happen.
Do you have any other reason Mori, or are you set in your initial belief? Oh Mori isnt a mod, no need to explain then
Yo Jack. Any thoughts?
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Ye go on then, sign the stuff. I'm heading out for a bit
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hello abc is my friend too and i would also like him unbanned!
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No, they aren't stupid.
But they don't think it through or they are reaching for more and more to justify the 0 reasons he should be banned.