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This post will unban ABC.

deletedabout 8 years

STAY ClownS fRigGiN bOzOMods


UPDATES

Edark, Cody, Dahlia decided the below case did not justify an unban.

Arcbell - neutral as always. Offered $50 to james to unban him. Funny, but inherently scummy

Then they added 4 months to abc's ban.

And banned me as well (I actually deserved it tho). Damn I actually put real effort in this and they took a few back and forths to dismiss it. that university i went to was a waste cuz this was the simplest case on the planet


Alright. This is a personal test from me to mods. The only try hard piece of writing you'll ever encounter out of me on this website. Mods. You have simple duties on this party game website. That's to 1- keep it alive, 2- keep users happy, 3- and clean up the forums from terrifying words like mong and incorrect gender pronoun usage

INTRODUCTION
I point out the following reasons why he deserves a release: 1- he is spiteful as a banned user and the community suffers for it, this will be removed obviously, 2- the site gains nothing with his “ban”, 3- his ban doesnt even stop him from being banned in the first place (rofl), 4- philosophically it follows that he would abandon all sense of rules and be a trouble maker while exiled from a society that enforces these rules and in such a case, him breaking rules w/ this status is perfectly f'ucking reasonable. This is not a case that justifies continuing his perpetual ban.

Listen, ABC is only going to continue pestering until you do the right thing and give him his due freedom. It will continue on and on and on. What pros have you uncovered over the past 2 years he's been banned. Have there been cheating and round pausing every round since? Have there been nonstop GT alts showing up? Or trolls in every game destroying competition? Yes, this is an endless problem that is only facilitated by wrongly banning users who then spite this entire community. So, unban this f'ucker.

Also how is the site changed by keeping abc banned. Nothing changes. It's simply funny how no one gets this. All that has happened is you've changed his status to banned user while he bypasses on alts, nonstop. Have we defeated a main villain and all misery ends? Does the site get anything beneficial at all? Does the community get any healthier, cleaner, warmer? Is there some glow of energy filled with epicmafia justice powder sprayed from Rutab's cow utter onto tables as we play? Well he's been on the site his whole ban. He's been on today. You aren't stopping him. Look at the OP in that 'confessions' thread. He's been playing actively this entire time. do the most logical thing and unban

His status as a banned user with no release date acts as a propellant to his bad behavior. Why wouldn't it? He has no reason to expect being released. And I swear, Edark, if you think him doing bad things while being PERPETUALLY banned is a reason to keep him banned, then you are basically dictating. To illustrate, if I personally feel in my mind there is no date for my release from jail, and I'm perpetually stuck with no freedom, then I feel I have nothing to lose by breaking any rules. It's as if there is no more authority or rules. Because being perma stuck in a prison does this to most people. You basically created a situation that allows his no respect for rules attitude. Is there one simple fix to this? Could it be to f’ucking give a man his due f'ucking freedom?

This s'hit is simple philosophy and was explained succinctly by Sirius in the other thread. But you read one snippet from someone else that mentioned in one comment that "he wont ever reform, heerpp" then you hammered a decision based on that saying, “he aint getting unbanned.” Quest then self deletes.

-vovvisarna


TL;DR- Unban Quest. If you don't then I expect a lengthy and thorough argument made against every point in this post BY BOTH ADMINS. I guarantee the arguments made here should convince any unbiased person of logic and reason.

Did you read this entire post? If not don't vote. If yes, then answer: do you agree with my argument?
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I AGREE AND READ 100%
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I DISAGREE AND READ 100%
deletedabout 8 years
Edark, I'm giving you two scenarios. One scenario is better than the other in terms of quality of games


1. Him banned - big pest, throws at the end of rounds, no regard for rules whatsoever, recruits players to cheat with and acct share with

2. Him unbanned - mostly a forum troll, occassional games, rages at users who mishammer, slight chance he grudges and makes it look like a real fos


I established 1 is worse. If/when he throws while unbanned, so be it. But maybe he doesn't throw? Maybe his unban was so difficult to finally reach he doesnt want to ruin it

So do you want to keep the worse scenario with him banned? Because that defies all logic

I think you're missing a lot of what I'm getting at
deletedabout 8 years
abc why dont you go terrorize the sentient blobs of mafiascum or something
about 8 years

Math says

every shred of integrity the moderation team has

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Retti says

the coolest part is when abc pretty much threatens the mods to unban him or else he will cheat and throw like he thinks trophies still matter hahahaha


wow wtf my trophy matters... to me...
about 8 years
2.5 years ago unbanned in sandbox with a 1 month unban date - i behave on fanas thensomeone made up some lie to lucid to get me banned - no rules were broken

1 year + a few months ago unbanned as Quest on a leash - i behave and someone off-site makes a random skype acct pretending to be to get me rebanned - no rules were broken

abt 3 months ago - unbanned (but had to hide with only the admins knowing who i was) on a 1 vio leash as Sanctity, randomly rebanned after a month - no rules were broken
deletedabout 8 years
i dont think integrity matters here, it's more about common sense
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Math says

it's probably true that the site would be better off in terms of legitimate competitions and overall experience if james were to be unbanned, i'll give you that.

but to offer him a full unban immediately after what he just did would be to sacrifice every shred of integrity the moderation team has when it comes to moderating by the rules. the only sort of compromise would be to compile a short list of the rule violations that he's committed recently, work out a tentative unban date from that, and go from there. having a set unban date would probably solve a lot of the problems that you're talking about.

the problem is that said "unban date" would probably be an incredibly long time in the future and it's unlikely that wouldn't bypass during the ban and play anyways. i'd be in favor of a set unban date sometime between 9 and 24 months in the future.


no dude we're beyond that point we're just posting gifs now!
about 8 years
it's probably true that the site would be better off in terms of legitimate competitions and overall experience if james were to be unbanned, i'll give you that.

but to offer him a full unban immediately after what he just did would be to sacrifice every shred of integrity the moderation team has when it comes to moderating by the rules. the only sort of reasonable compromise would be to compile a short list of the rule violations that he's committed recently, work out a tentative unban date from that, and go from there. having a set unban date would probably solve a lot of the problems that you're talking about.

the problem is that said "unban date" would probably be an incredibly long time in the future and it's unlikely that wouldn't bypass during the ban and play anyways. i'd be in favor of a set unban date sometime between 9 and 24 months in the future.
about 8 years
about 8 years
Okay okay I know.

To get unbanned, abc must pay $50 USD to the current admin. Each time he breaks his leash and gets rebanned, his new unban price doubles, so the next time he needs to pay $100, then $200, etc..
deletedabout 8 years
the coolest part is when abc pretty much threatens the mods to unban him or else he will cheat and throw like he thinks trophies still matter hahahaha
about 8 years
24 full hours
about 8 years
Let them both play mafia for one day. abc probably has a bunch of accounts. Divvy them between the two. Whoever puts in the most minutes of competitive mafia wins
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Vovvisarna says

Dont you see how flawed your logic is?


No, he doesn't.
about 8 years

Edark says


Vovvisarna says

OK edark here is the logic simplified. Tell me where the flaw is:

ABC is banned and is a reckless pain. He is upset being banned and wants to spite mods

ABC is unbanned and is relieved. He still wants to have fun so he misbehaves every now and then. He tosses a game against someone who mishammers




"he misbehaves every now and then. He tosses a game against someone who mishammers"

He asked for a 1 vio leash. This is breaking the very 1 vio leash he asked for regardless of how miniscule you make it sound. Dont you see how flawed your logic is?


i never tossed a game or broke any rule as an unbanned user whatcha talkin abt dude
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Everyone is crying in that picture. Such sad. much tears. wow
about 8 years

Vovvisarna says

OK edark here is the logic simplified. Tell me where the flaw is:

ABC is banned and is a reckless pain. He is upset being banned and wants to spite mods

ABC is unbanned and is relieved. He still wants to have fun so he misbehaves every now and then. He tosses a game against someone who mishammers




"he misbehaves every now and then. He tosses a game against someone who mishammers"

He asked for a 1 vio leash. This is breaking the very 1 vio leash he asked for regardless of how miniscule you make it sound. Dont you see how flawed your logic is?
about 8 years

Math says


JuniorMafia says

nor did cody unban me as myself, all cody did was allow to me bypass on a random acct and i didn't break any rules on that account


except i did when i unlocked the account for you and unbanned you from every lobby except for main


actually you didn't. you told me to hide as sanctity and that only you/solace knew
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Arcbell says

Vancy wait until we lay out the rules for the showdown between abc and vilden


Sure, I'll wait... oh, i'll wait...

about 8 years
Okay. We need to have a "throwdown" .. whoever can throw more games against the other (abc and vilden) gets a 1 vio leash for 3 months.
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abc is a reckless pain regardless of the outcome
about 8 years

Math says


JuniorMafia says

nor did cody unban me as myself, all cody did was allow to me bypass on a random acct and i didn't break any rules on that account


except i did when i unlocked the account for you and unbanned you from every lobby except for main


Whats that? Abc still up when he gets a very fair chance? What a surprise.
deletedabout 8 years
OK edark here is the logic simplified. Tell me where the flaw is:

ABC is banned and is a reckless pain. He is upset being banned and wants to spite mods

ABC is unbanned and is relieved. He still wants to have fun so he misbehaves every now and then. He tosses a game against someone who mishammers

Logically he is better as an unbanned user. You cant use this logic with anyone else. We know how james is


ABC's ban doesnt even stop him from being banned in the first place. He is on the site whenever he wants. Your ban does not prevent any thing. It does nothing...

For throws he's done while banned:

Philosophically it follows that he would abandon all sense of rules and be a trouble maker while exiled from a society that enforces these rules and in such a case, him breaking rules w/ this status is reasonable. This is not a case that justifies continuing his perpetual ban.
about 8 years

Stragger says

abc reforms and then breaks his promises more than my father who left me


rofl
about 8 years
Father of the Year.