This website is far past the point where having ranked and unranked games in main lobby makes sense.
Both sandbox and main lobby suffer from this weird choice. Unranked games should go in sandbox, which will boost the ever slowing population of 12 person closed setups, and ranked games should go in main lobby.
Without the influx of unranked games being made, competitive games will not be second paged so fast, and thus fill more often, allowing more than 2 setups to be played each round.
there's no reason not to lump all unranked games into the same place. this would only be problematic if sandbox had more than a maximum of 2 games going at any given time, which it doesn't
deletedover 8 years
Feel free to argue me on any of those points, but sending new players to sandbox will just worsen the situation on both sides. Being exposed to sandbox will give people a different opinion of the site then being exposed to main lobby, as they won't even know what role they are, while in main lobby all you have to do is over over the role at the top to see what it is. You can't do that in closed setups.
deletedover 8 years
Wow, that sounds exactly like all unranked games. Its a match made in heaven.
deletedover 8 years
ummmmmm
deletedover 8 years
Anyways, as a person who spends too much time in sandbox
-12 player games fill just fine. There are 8 player and 6 player closed setups for the slower hours of the day.
-If new players go to sandbox they'll face multiple problems.
1. Sandbox setups have about 100 roles in it. It's not a good introduction to the site.
2. No one ever takes any game serious ever. And even if one person does, then the other 10-11 people won't. Sandbox lives on a random lynching mob mentality.
3. Most people use sandbox as a background game while they jerk off or want to play with friends. Ranked games will actually fill slower because less people will be willing to play once exposed to the sandbox community. Starting them off in main is better.
No new players sitting through sandbox to try ranked games(the purpose of the site, one would say), and as players quit/get banned from ranked your games will actually fill slower then currently.
deletedover 8 years
I move to separate the ranked and unranked playerbases, a move that should have been made in 2008, and even the people who think they are against it will be happy once they realize how much faster games fill for everyone.
saiyan, there is no reason not to have unranked in main.
only reason is to help sandbox, but no. both sandbox and main operate independently. that's how sandbox wanted it when they were thriving and main was (and still is btw) struggling.
games being pushed to page 2 isnt a real problem and it's DEFINITELY not the reason more comp setups arent played
I move to delete Sandbox entirely, and lump everyone in Main together.
deletedover 8 years
Bring training and competitive lobby back instead. That makes more sense then this
deletedover 8 years
There is zero logical reason for unranked games to exist in main lobby. It is to the detriment of both player bases. Whatever ludicrous narrative you've deluded yourself into believing about why you need unranked games to be in the main lobby instead of the sandbox lobby is wrong and stupid, and you're only hurting yourself.
I just went to sandbox lobby and there has been exactly the same amount of active games as every single time I check. One.
deletedover 8 years
Go to sandbox lobby right now lol. Go to sandbox lobby and tell me how many games are going on.
deletedover 8 years
this idea is stupid.
only 12 person closed setups are played in sandbox, any other games would be drowned out/the people who would actually play them wouldnt be aware they exist
no thanks, I want to play the occasional minesweeper or that santa/lover/voodoo setup
deletedover 8 years
This idea is to the benefit of everyone and the detriment of no one.
remove main and make competitive the default again, ban unranked in competitive and move them all to sandbox. i endorse
deletedover 8 years
The difference though is that we're not trying to split the playerbase up based on skill level again, we're trying to split up two groups of players who have 0 interest in playing with each other anyway but who are forced to compete with each other for attention in the same lobby.
Which, by the way, is what sandbox lobby should have done in the first place.
Without this move, sandbox is on its deathbed too.
Well maybe someone will link this thread to him and he'll make this super easy change that would probably make both the unranked and ranked players both very happy and cut wait times for a game for both groups, who knows.
