At best he catches the nilla, if he even lives. Odds say that he probably doesn't even do that. He is more useful as a day one clear, which will then probably be nightkilled, ensuring the gov lives to 5 way at least
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Well, no, that's simply not right
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not claiming cop literally gives the exact same thing as claiming cop, only not claiming cop adds possibilities of doing better (or worse on the rare occasion lol)
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Oh you can't fake the guilty, you're right. That's irrelevant any way though. Town EV goes up when cop claims day one. Simple as that
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how do they fake a guilty d1 with no report? i'd fake cc in place of the real cop if i was lynching mafia as blue in a game sonse
ur plan adds nothing to the whole thing, only depriving us of the possible cc which might lock in a vote that mightn't have been otherwise and other such plays which might hide the cop and give us the exact same thing only with prs hidden
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It is objectively and axiomatically better for the cop to claim. I am 100% sure. If he doesn't claim, this is STBS with more swing. If he does claim, it's more than likely going to end at 3 way 1 clear.
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Sirius, I'm going to go ahead and ignore you because either you can't do simple math or you're trying to troll me.
Mafia will always claim cop when being lynched if they aren't dumb, all you've done by waiting, is well, nothing and now the mafia has a good chance of faking a guilty on you
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this is fair enough, but it's such a ridiculously simple mechanical play i'm kinda embarrassed i wasn't doing it all along tbh lol.
well, i just did what everyone else did, so it's all ur dumb faults
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sonse u are basically just wrong bro. that one clear doesn't really give town anything, but just hands mafia a pr for free. if cop or gov are getting lynched, they claim. leaves it 2/5 of hitting mafia when all is said and done, just like if cop claimed, and not a bad chance of nailing mafia without giving away any prs
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belovedprincess32s one day it dawned on me that i should've been nk'ing and stalking all along as stalker in vdli, then the setup was ruined for me
You see this sounds good in theory but as soon as you do this I can disqualify all noob teams as possibilities, and you've given me tons of good reads in exchange for a hit BP
Giga: Yeah but if Cop claimed D1 then it's p much Mafia ccing D1 leads to 3way guaranteed or town has 1 clear per day to try and get at least 1 mafia with 2 chances
Yeah, which is way more townsided than cop not claiming as it is now.
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one day it dawned on me that i should've been nk'ing and stalking all along as stalker in vdli, then the setup was ruined for me
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The night one report was actually a lot more useful to town than the kill was to mafia. With dawn start, the cop gets a maximum of one report that is most likely completely worthless
Yeah but if Cop claimed D1 then it's p much Mafia ccing D1 leads to 3way guaranteed or town has 1 clear per day to try and get at least 1 mafia with 2 chances
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It's because cop is effectively an arbitrary clear that can be cc'd. It's 1 gov and one useless PR vs two mafia. It's like STBS without the clears knowing each other and an OT
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wrong. nk and stalking is hugely optimal. if town lynch with 8 players alive, they're reducing their winchance pretty significantly.
i will grant u that there are pretty big swing factors in the bp/orc combo tho. setup could be made a multi to give us back the exact old setup we used to have tho =)
I really don't understand why. Cry N Spy is basically the same thing except Crier can't be ccd yet it's much closer to 50/50
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This setup would still be scumsided if cop claimed day one, but much less so
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Right, but it's worth it because free mafia and over a 50% chance of 3 way with a clear even if you lynch wrong. Scum ccing is actually sweet for town, and so is cop not getting cc'd.
If you NK and stalk it's useless since town should lynch and mafia could hit the BP n2 (or even n3), so never
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giga how many times did u nk and stalk n1 as mafia in all those games of vdli u played that figured into its being so balanced?
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cop claiming doesn't decrease the odds of gov getting outed, actually it increases them. goes from 1/8 (or a slight slight bit more because of cop's chances of being outed and huntering the lynch onto gov) to 1/7
Wrong, it's better as an 8 man because it's the most balanced setup of all time after tens of thousands of plays and the n1 kill factors clearly play into that
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If cop cc's you've got a good chance at 3 way lylo with a gov, so it's still optimal for cop to claim. Main lobby probably won't cc cop often though
