Epicmafia

almost 10 years

you're being really stupid right now and i have to go somewhere quickly so i'll be back in about an hour if you guys remain ignorant and narrow minded

Sanctify

almost 10 years

i can post in any given thread and attempt to change the vernacular of said thread, had bigpocks post said "meta abuse" I would've called him/her stupid and moved on.

I literally freaking said the term meta abuse is stupid, meaning it's wrong, non existent. there is no such thing as meta abuse because connor;

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the term meta abuse is stupid, because using meta by the definition of it in one game should be meta abuse.

Hibiki

almost 10 years

if you're saying "people are calling it abuse when it's not" then why are you answering "whats the true meaning of meta abuse" with "people wrongly call meta abuse x"

Sanctify

almost 10 years

i mean my vry first post, and the first post in this thread was "The term meta abuse is stupid"

he changed the stupid term into something a little better, meta gaming and said that if you "meta game a lot" it could be taken as excessive meta gaming. Excessive is a lot better than using the word abuse idk why people keep saying abuse.

Sanctify

almost 10 years

you're nitpicking something that doesn't need to be, i'm saying his understanding of meta gaming, not calling it meta abuse was the only definition that was plausable at the time (on page 2) and still to this page.

notice is aid the only decent definition, and not "This is exactly what meta abuse is"

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Hibiki says

bigpock said "abusing metagaming", not just metagaming. did you even read the 2nd half of his post?

don't be so finicky bro

Hibiki

almost 10 years

bigpock said "abusing metagaming", not just metagaming. did you even read the 2nd half of his post?

Sanctify

almost 10 years

UniversalStudios says

Sanctify says

what about i wrong about ?

For one, learning and using meta in an environment where meta becomes everything isn't "abuse". When I joined the site it took me a few games to get c/ping down and I lost a few lynches simply because I didn't paste my report fast enough.

You can't see that now because that's generations ago, but in that meta those loses were my fault.

never said it was.

Sanctify

almost 10 years

this has to be the 100th time i've agreed with connor or partially agreed with connor and he acts like me and him are a completely different spectrum of the argument.

UniversalStudios

almost 10 years

Sanctify says

what about i wrong about ?

For one, learning and using meta in an environment where meta becomes everything isn't "abuse". When I joined the site it took me a few games to get c/ping down and I lost a few lynches simply because I didn't paste my report fast enough.

You can't see that now because that's generations ago, but in that meta those loses were my fault.

Sanctify

almost 10 years

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Bigpock
http://epicmafia.wikia.com/wiki/Metagaming

That was hard

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that explains meta, doesn't explain the "abuse" factor (which doesn't exist btw) the only thing that can be added to meta is excessive metagaming. And that's what people are calling "abuse"

Sanctify

almost 10 years

all i said was bigpocks definition was the only decent one posted, i didn't say it was accurate.

i also said it because his definition didn't put "meta abuse" because that's stupid, it's just meta gaming. And then when it happens a lot over the course of a round it's excessive meta gaming.

Hibiki

almost 10 years

devante has yet to describe how meta is abused in his definition

Sanctify

almost 10 years

Hibiki says

playing with the same person/people repeatedly is advantageous for very legal reasons, which i've outlined in part already

Sanctify says

vilden says

One who abuses meta -thebrontosaurus

how do you abuse meta though? Isn't using meta to read someone once abuse of it.

Then you have to ask yourself, isn't this game based upon meta, and the ability to read someone based off how they played in previous games.

Therefore making most decent comp players "meta abusers"

Sanctify says

the term meta abuse is stupid, because using meta by the definition of it in one game should be meta abuse.

people call excessive use of meta as "abuse"

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Hibiki says

playing with the same person/people repeatedly is advantageous for very legal reasons, which i've outlined in part already

ya, so call that meta-gaming and call the other stuff cheating. devante's right, the other stuff is basically role-sharing via set lines of text or whatever

UniversalStudios

almost 10 years

Hibiki says

but what i AM saying is that you cannot use the stand-alone evidence of player-with-player stats and friend-status and conclude that there was bias. it's still entirely necessary to do the nitty-gritty, churn through those games and find the things that point to bias. and the evidence you'd be looking for is entirely DIFFERENT to the evidence that you'd be looking for in rolesharers. you CANNOT take a failed cheating accusation's evidence and just say "well, it was probably just bias then".

This.

Hibiki

almost 10 years

playing with the same person/people repeatedly is advantageous for very legal reasons, which i've outlined in part already

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Hugo says

1- this player would have sacd cop instead of killing a blue, so he may not be mafia--- meta- absolutely fine

2- this player never kills this player- so he is confirmed not mafia- meta abuse- give ogi vio

3- i am not mafia because i am not dumb enough to cc bp on day1 when i dont know my partners- meta- absolutely fine

4- i never say "IM TOWN" as mafia- my friend her can confirm it- meta abuse- give OGI vio

5- i do not go afk as mafia, it is not like me, i try very hard- meta- absolutely fine

6- player1@player2: Trust me ( player1 does this only when he is town while player2 is running for trophy). Player1 does not do this as mafia, so player2 easily knows he is mafia and uses it to win all games with player1--- meta abuse-- give cheating vio and suspend from round

This feels right btw

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that looks like a solid definition to me, dave

Sanctify

almost 10 years

what about i wrong about ?

Hibiki

almost 10 years

and mist, we know for a fact that the nitty griity wasnt done for gerryoat because the 31 page google doc went unread

Hibiki

almost 10 years

devante, you're wrong and also dumb

Sanctify

almost 10 years

Sanctify says

Bigpock says

Meta gaming is when you play with a group of players, and know their party mafia "playstyle"

There by repetitively playing with said group of players is abusing meta gaming

This has been the only decent definition in this thread btw.

a lot of pages later, this is still the case.

Sanctify

almost 10 years

Giga13 says

to me, meta abuse can be:

- having a specific line you and a buddy say whenever you're town or something along those lines

that's cheating / rolesharing.

UniversalStudios

almost 10 years

Giga13 says

Ok, so it should be called friend abuse from now on then. Thanks!

Seeing as you've yet to get this right or flesh it out, you shouldn't be trying to call it anything. What purpose doesn't victimizing friend play serve? All of your "14 days ago" games have Radiofire or Matthelders in them, 2 of our better comp players. Outside of that you rarely play, so how can you target active players when based on your history you'd do the exact same thing?

We should be encouraging this, because the more people in tables having fun, the better comp becomes. If 2 people can play with each other and hash out victories regardless of alignment, why stop this? The core of running has always been having strong friends/player to rely on. Otherwise you're likely to be stuck in a table with an irrational and compulsive clear griping on Skype. All you're doing is making our user base smaller and decentivizing people from playing.