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"meta abuse"

over 9 years

prove you know your stuff, post your definition of meta abuse and how to do it ITT

over 9 years

UniversalStudios says

Meta abuse is common sense. I say that to say that people are ignorant of high level mafia play



belovedprincess says

ur chain of thought is dumb and basically equal to 'player meta is something noobs made up to feel better about themselves'



UniversalStudios says

so knowing or playing at a high level will make those ignorant of it think you're cheating when the truth is you're stomping people that suck.



belovedprincess says

ur chain of thought is dumb and basically equal to 'player meta is something noobs made up to feel better about themselves'



UniversalStudios says

People on this site display behavior in patterns and groups, and meta is all about identifying and using them to your advantage.



belovedprincess says

ur chain of thought is dumb and basically equal to 'player meta is something noobs made up to feel better about themselves'



UniversalStudios says

The problem comes in when you factor in that people play purely to grind points instead of intangibles like scumhunting or improving. Playing with either as your goal lead to behaviors that help win games which is frown upon by our pointfarming community.



belovedprincess says

ur chain of thought is dumb and basically equal to 'player meta is something noobs made up to feel better about themselves'

over 9 years
Fine, let me literally show you how wrong you are :)
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which was a dumb and poorly worded follow-on from the dumb and poorly worded post i just quoted
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UniversalStudios says

I'm pondering the notion of my bolded statement.

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UniversalStudios says

Meta abuse is common sense. I say that to say that people are ignorant of high level mafia play, so knowing or playing at a high level will make those ignorant of it think you're cheating when the truth is you're stomping people that suck. If you don't believe this read Ruse/Cocacola/Gerryoat pastebins. People on this site display behavior in patterns and groups, and meta is all about identifying and using them to your advantage.

The problem comes in when you factor in that people play purely to grind points instead of intangibles like scumhunting or improving. Playing with either as your goal lead to behaviors that help win games which is frown upon by our pointfarming community.

over 9 years

belovedprincess says

ur chain of thought is dumb and basically equal to 'player meta is something noobs made up to feel better about themselves'

whereas it's an obvious, actual thing. people literally win trophies all the time by the advantage of having a bunch of friends in game with them



belovedprincess says

it's incorrect and poorly worded

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ur chain of thought is dumb and basically equal to 'player meta is something noobs made up to feel better about themselves'

whereas it's an obvious, actual thing. people literally win trophies all the time by the advantage of having a bunch of friends in game with them
over 9 years

Sims says

player meta occurs because people learn each others' tells after playing w/ each other. that's pretty much objective. you can argue that player meta is more likely to be used when there's a lack of "mechanical meta" to follow, but that's only a portion of when people user player meta.


You're following my chain of thought, but once I started expanding on it I realized I was recalling the era we won trophies in, not this era. Mechanical games remove the necessity to think outside of a vacuum since most case are 2/3 or better. Games aren't about appealing to the table they're about appealing to the clear and the stigma of meta just makes it even more pointless to use.

If you find me an example of something you think is player meta in this era, I can probably point out how and why it's mechanical.
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lol
over 9 years
it's spelled supersede
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belovedprincess says

it's incorrect and poorly worded



Sims says

me too, because it's worded poorly and also wrong



Oh
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just dont join games with people you know how to scum read someone with extreme accuracy through prior experience

it's like watching someone play rock-paper-scissors before playing
over 9 years
"'Player meta' occurs because balanced 'mechanical meta' should rarely superceed players need to interact with each other to either resolve the day or win games."

player meta occurs because people learn each others' tells after playing w/ each other. that's pretty much objective. you can argue that player meta is more likely to be used when there's a lack of "mechanical meta" to follow, but that's only a portion of when people user player meta.
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UniversalStudios says

I'm pondering the notion of my bolded statement.


me too, because it's worded poorly and also wrong
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rain occurs because the sun should rarely evaporate water

there u go
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Yet nothing you've posted can match it. I was going to elaborate on it but it turned into a rant. Mechanical clear based meta is all we'll have for the foreseeable future.
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it's incorrect and poorly worded
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I'm pondering the notion of my bolded statement.
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zovea, stop playing fancy pants and go do something else bro
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if dave is just defending gerryoat, then he's correct (i briefly skimmed what he was saying)
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Sims says

fu

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ok
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ok
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Sims says

in retrospect we probably should ease up on moderating meta abuse though. every single case since i became admin resulted in a terrible reception & the mods being abused for it.


Lets start by defining meta and then applying it to EpicMafia.

Meta is the ideal way to execute a game's system. You pick the best characters, use the best weapons, and take the fastest routes in your attempts to master the game's system.

When you take this approach in EpicMafia you start with the game's system. EM is a text based chat game in which you try to identify alignments then convince those you're aligned with to vote those you're not aligned with. I'll start with the notion of "mechanical meta" which covers the game and its system. It includes things such as how setups are being played, who claims, how you go about finding scum in the setup, and any night actions, day revelations, or interactions that happen that cause people to act or feel a certain way. This seem to be where you're failing your "meta abuse" cases as most of the actions you deemed suspicious tend to occur here, instead of "player meta".

"Player meta" occurs because balanced "mechanical meta" should rarely superceed players need to interact with each other to either resolve the day or win games.

This deserves it's own topic but I'll suffice to say that you're not going to be dealing with cases in this area because pointfarming has replaced scumhunting with mechanics based PoE. Few if any people put effort into this area of the game because games are simple enough to PoE based on roles and in-game events. The only pastebin that contained "player meta" was Cocacola's and the only outlying meta was Zwink's fos at the start of the game. Everything else in these pastebins was standard play based on "mechanical meta".
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i can't really remember what i did, but i remember it being high-level and mean as f*ck and apologising for it after