Epicmafia

almost 10 years

lol

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mandevian says

any thing else related to information you have on players and their play style is normal meta which SHOULD be part of the game, because it is how the world works.

so, for example, it should be perfectly fair to announce that someone wouldn't kill someone else, or that someone does indeed act in some particular way game to game

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mandevian says

you played with 3 noobs, 4 friends and 2 of your own accounts to do that

??? lol

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well, u just contradicted urself bro. good job

mandevian

almost 10 years

any person who ended up getting banned because of whatever reason, is a failure at this game. because you get banned only when you can't handle the pressure and start breaking rules.

mandevian

almost 10 years

you played with 3 noobs, 4 friends and 2 of your own accounts to do that

mandevian

almost 10 years

meta is part of the game, but abusing a meta that can be set to direct your game in a particular direction breaks the game. so if you and your friend set up a meta amongst yourselves, it means you are abusing the meta part of the game. any thing else related to information you have on players and their play style is normal meta which SHOULD be part of the game, because it is how the world works.

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my first account ever was %hof bro. i beat this game on the first try

mandevian

almost 10 years

what i posted is the ultimate truth. only those who never won or are banned are arguing it

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u guys really need to get rid of the ogi rule, because it really is a stupid rule

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vilden says

@beloved I don't think you read how each scenario should be treated (#1 he said is "fine")

the point of the 5 is to paint a picture of what **is** cheating in pranay's mind. #2 and #4 are the inset point to the 5 scenarios

also the other 3 are just pretty dumb too tho

UniversalStudios

almost 10 years

Bigpock says

How many times do i have to say it. He won 33of 43 games. The pastebin states when the girl was playing against the dude she never tried her hardest and ultimately threw for him

Cheater

Pastebin doesn't mention that Llumica sucks and wouldn't be able to beat gerry in the first place. Try reading the games, not the ignorant dribble of someone that doesn't know how to play.

vilden

almost 10 years

@beloved I don't think you read how each scenario should be treated (#1 he said is "fine")

UniversalStudios

almost 10 years

vilden says

how is he dumb, it sounds pretty alright

2 should be standard play. Can't possibly be OGI with said person and repeated behavior in the game

3 is not meta

4 is not abuse if "friend" defends said player

5 is wifom because I can't think of a legit reason to say that as town

6 ignores the fact that this is Pranay's tried and true method of getting people to vote with him even when he's mafia.

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How many times do i have to say it. He won 33of 43 games. The pastebin states when the girl was playing against the dude she never tried her hardest and ultimately threw for him

Cheater

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vilden says

how is he dumb, it sounds pretty alright

Hugo says

1- this player would have sacd cop instead of killing a blue, so he may not be mafia--- meta- absolutely fine

2- this player never kills this player- so he is confirmed not mafia- meta abuse- give ogi vio

3- i am not mafia because i am not dumb enough to cc bp on day1 when i dont know my partners- meta- absolutely fine

4- i never say "IM TOWN" as mafia- my friend her can confirm it- meta abuse- give OGI vio

5- i do not go afk as mafia, it is not like me, i try very hard- meta- absolutely fine

6- player1@player2: Trust me ( player1 does this only when he is town while player2 is running for trophy). Player1 does not do this as mafia, so player2 easily knows he is mafia and uses it to win all games with player1--- meta abuse-- give cheating vio and suspend from round

the first 5 are just ridiculous and attempt to exclude the perfectly natural. doing so will just convolute the game more in leading to rationalisations of suspicions that exist from outside of the game, which will read disingenuously. it's better to just let it all happen rather than to force urself to read into such nonsense. the last one is just complete cheating

Giga13

almost 10 years

Sanctify says

Giga13 says

to me, meta abuse can be:

- having a specific line you and a buddy say whenever you're town or something along those lines

that's cheating / rolesharing.

It's meta abuse.

Meta abuse can be bad enough to constitute cheating, in this instance

It can't be rolesharing unless there are codes for each specific role in which case it's still cheating anyway

vilden

almost 10 years

the thing about pranay's guidelines is that it wouldn't have prevented gerryoat/luminica's round

Giga13

almost 10 years

Hibiki says

but what i AM saying is that you cannot use the stand-alone evidence of player-with-player stats and friend-status and conclude that there was bias. it's still entirely necessary to do the nitty-gritty, churn through those games and find the things that point to bias. and the evidence you'd be looking for is entirely DIFFERENT to the evidence that you'd be looking for in rolesharers. you CANNOT take a failed cheating accusation's evidence and just say "well, it was probably just bias then".

Yeah

vilden

almost 10 years

how is he dumb, it sounds pretty alright

Hugo says

1- this player would have sacd cop instead of killing a blue, so he may not be mafia--- meta- absolutely fine

2- this player never kills this player- so he is confirmed not mafia- meta abuse- give ogi vio

3- i am not mafia because i am not dumb enough to cc bp on day1 when i dont know my partners- meta- absolutely fine

4- i never say "IM TOWN" as mafia- my friend her can confirm it- meta abuse- give OGI vio

5- i do not go afk as mafia, it is not like me, i try very hard- meta- absolutely fine

6- player1@player2: Trust me ( player1 does this only when he is town while player2 is running for trophy). Player1 does not do this as mafia, so player2 easily knows he is mafia and uses it to win all games with player1--- meta abuse-- give cheating vio and suspend from round

UniversalStudios

almost 10 years

Sirus go through the pastebins and you'll see that the mods are either ignorant of mechanical play or just relying on speculation to make a case. Making your games easier by pairing with competent players is something we should strive for as a community, not shun.

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ok, apparently i didn't read pranay's post, but i just got as far as #2 there and he's dumb

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pranay's post was literally about cheating from what i remember of it. meta abuse arguably exists in playing all ur games with people u know, so making the game easier for u than others who don't

UniversalStudios

almost 10 years

Sanctify says

you're nitpicking something that doesn't need to be, i'm saying his understanding of meta gaming, not calling it meta abuse was the only definition that was plausable at the time (on page 2) and still to this page.

notice is aid the only decent definition, and not "This is exactly what meta abuse is"

Page 4

Hibiki

almost 10 years

sure, ok, but meta abuse does exist (read pranays post)

"meta abuse"