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How to go about removing FP

over 9 years

Why Fancy Pants needs to go in the first place.

My main gripe with FP is that you can literally join games and self vote and you'll still end up with a positive w/l ratio. This isn't speculation, go do it. The fact that you reliably win as town with no skill other than following the ingrained pointfarming tactics that come with prolonged play of the setup is why it's currently 53% townsided. If people were mastering how to succeed at the site as a whole and not just FP, the setup could be in the high 60% and you can see this in players that have no clue what to do when a PR dies, but maintain a 60% win ratio with FP as their primary setup. FP can exist as a pointfarm but it can't include the gunsmith setup because that's what's keeping mafia from being able to do anything reliably in the setup.

The setup was made to pointfarm and the behaviors you adapt playing this setup currently plague the site in so far as people don't know how to lynch mafia in auto win scenarios, don't know how to or realize that they should be identifying both town and mafia in every game they play, and will go out of their way to try and setup hammers for the clear in lieu of putting effort into winning games for themselves. These are the most prevailing of them but they are vast and will require a full scale restructuring of how this functions in order to solve.

Mods need to take the game seriously

They currently don't. They take their handling of the community seriously, but I don't think any of the mods currently think about the impact of their verdicts based on the outcome of games, but solely from a vio or no vio perspective and this needs to stop.

We need the mods to do more than just vio/no vio if we're going to have any meaningful change. This isn't an assault on people for being bad at the game as a whole. If I've learned anything from coming back to this site, it's that I can't hold people responsible for things they've never been subjected to such as competition, role models, and the game being played in a way that isn't corrupted by pointfarming. To this end pointfarming behaviors need to be eradicated through the use of the report system. This starts with ISP, we currently have a mod appealing an ISP report and even though I haven't read the game, I feel for what he typed in the appeal. You shouldn't be forced to play around people that are going to do the minimum required to not get a violation. The process of reading the game and outing your opinions on people's alignment shouldn't be a rarity, it should happen every game.

This is a good transition to include playing to win. Playing to win doesn't include waiting for the clear to play the game for you. It doesn't include contributing nothing but filler and omgus until the clear is ready to vote. Playing to win means that in any game from a player you spectate you see them putting forth effort into achieving their win condition. This is a rare quality in the current meta and it's why few people take this game seriously. This needs to be a requirement because "FP" has stripped this from the average player.

Mafia is a team game

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Sonrio says

remake fancy pants


and...?
deletedover 9 years
zovea's argument is going to be that it ruins the spirit of mafia, aka i'm mad listen to me.
over 9 years
remake fancy pants
deletedover 9 years
the big problem with fp is that creative play is punished because its easier to just lynch the late cc or the roleswapper and move onto the next game than to actually think, but that issue isn't native to fp itself so much as it is all red heart games
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helsinki says


Calvin says

probably never do this because people play fp for fun and it attracts players i.e customers 4 lucid to the site so as long as it is going 2 make him money nobody is going 2 get rid of FP


this isn't really valid, what with reverse mafia being blacklisted


fp isn't a town pointfarm like rm was tho, i dont really kno what zoveas argument is but i dont think it'd be good enough to ban the most popular setup on the site
deletedover 9 years
fp isn't really that big of an issue, it's more that no one wants to play competitively nor values higher level play. people swarming to FP is a symptom of that, not the cause.

the actual way you get people to stop playing FP is getting good players and trophy winners to play FP and incentivize people to want to rise to that level. but that's just imo.
over 9 years
Do it.
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Calvin says

kennedy created a&d, kennedy cheated why is a&d not blacklisted


frame them for cheating before they make the setup obviously jackahh
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deletedover 9 years
kennedy created a&d, kennedy cheated why is a&d not blacklisted
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Calvin says

probably never do this because people play fp for fun and it attracts players i.e customers 4 lucid to the site so as long as it is going 2 make him money nobody is going 2 get rid of FP


this isn't really valid, what with reverse mafia being blacklisted
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well, i'm convinced
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we could always go back in time like they did on lost and frame the person who created FP up for cheating with abc, then the setup will never be created. And then.....
deletedover 9 years
probably never do this because people play fp for fun and it attracts players i.e customers 4 lucid to the site so as long as it is going 2 make him money nobody is going 2 get rid of FP