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How to go about removing FP

over 9 years

Why Fancy Pants needs to go in the first place.

My main gripe with FP is that you can literally join games and self vote and you'll still end up with a positive w/l ratio. This isn't speculation, go do it. The fact that you reliably win as town with no skill other than following the ingrained pointfarming tactics that come with prolonged play of the setup is why it's currently 53% townsided. If people were mastering how to succeed at the site as a whole and not just FP, the setup could be in the high 60% and you can see this in players that have no clue what to do when a PR dies, but maintain a 60% win ratio with FP as their primary setup. FP can exist as a pointfarm but it can't include the gunsmith setup because that's what's keeping mafia from being able to do anything reliably in the setup.

The setup was made to pointfarm and the behaviors you adapt playing this setup currently plague the site in so far as people don't know how to lynch mafia in auto win scenarios, don't know how to or realize that they should be identifying both town and mafia in every game they play, and will go out of their way to try and setup hammers for the clear in lieu of putting effort into winning games for themselves. These are the most prevailing of them but they are vast and will require a full scale restructuring of how this functions in order to solve.

Mods need to take the game seriously

They currently don't. They take their handling of the community seriously, but I don't think any of the mods currently think about the impact of their verdicts based on the outcome of games, but solely from a vio or no vio perspective and this needs to stop.

We need the mods to do more than just vio/no vio if we're going to have any meaningful change. This isn't an assault on people for being bad at the game as a whole. If I've learned anything from coming back to this site, it's that I can't hold people responsible for things they've never been subjected to such as competition, role models, and the game being played in a way that isn't corrupted by pointfarming. To this end pointfarming behaviors need to be eradicated through the use of the report system. This starts with ISP, we currently have a mod appealing an ISP report and even though I haven't read the game, I feel for what he typed in the appeal. You shouldn't be forced to play around people that are going to do the minimum required to not get a violation. The process of reading the game and outing your opinions on people's alignment shouldn't be a rarity, it should happen every game.

This is a good transition to include playing to win. Playing to win doesn't include waiting for the clear to play the game for you. It doesn't include contributing nothing but filler and omgus until the clear is ready to vote. Playing to win means that in any game from a player you spectate you see them putting forth effort into achieving their win condition. This is a rare quality in the current meta and it's why few people take this game seriously. This needs to be a requirement because "FP" has stripped this from the average player.

Mafia is a team game

deletedover 9 years
Honestly the biggest problem in terms of lack of moderation where moderation should be comes with newer players, and with the way lucid set up the site it's really difficult for us to emphasize reading the rules and caring about reports on you when both are so marginalized in terms of your site viewing experience. If fancy pants were gone another setup would take it's place; I think fancy pants requires slightly more thought than the days of training lobby classic mafia but ultimately there's only so much that can be done when players have an innate desire to play low effort mafia. You seem to want us to force people to care more, which we can't really do. Honestly I think the ideal solution is some sort of competitive tutorial, but there wouldn't be any way to force people to even notice it's there with the current site layout. I think the issues you're bringing up are real but I think you want to treat symptoms rather than causes.
deletedover 9 years
So in terms of mods, the bottom line is you want them to be much stricter on ISP violations?
over 9 years
Nah, the main problem is that pointfarmers don't have any game related standards except that the games move quickly. That's what we need the mods for, and without them we're not going to get anywhere.

This is what led to me submitting and mod app.
over 9 years
maybe make a FP-lite version that weans them off FP and acts as a transition setup thatll let people play good setups

FP doenst have to be blacklisted, if people truly played it only for 'fun' people can have unranked games with it
over 9 years
I read that ITG, I was going to bump it when I came back but I decided I should play around in FP and figure out more about this site before executing a full scale take down.

This site couldn't handle FP being removed flat out. You can't just remove a tumor once it's become part of the body, you have to work to remove the tumor from the host.
over 9 years


this is exactly what i said 4 months ago and main players got mad and the mods didnt do anything

over 9 years
The rest of it isn't even worth typing without a discussion of the topics presented.
deletedover 9 years
it sort of looks like you've got more to write since you have another heading. or is that one just like a final line you wanted to emphasize?
over 9 years
over 9 years
this is exactly what i said 4 months ago and main players got mad and the mods didnt do anything
over 9 years
Okay now that their is part of an OP lets keep the discussion on topic.
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mist says


Slow says


mist says


Slow says

i liked sawyer too.


i liked that the writers kept finding excuses for him to take off his shirt


i liked sawyer. he was a funny dude and i empathized with him. jack sucked though. same with locke.


i completely agree. i kinda liked locke at first but eventually he got annoying. jack was annoying to start.


i think that sayid is generally a criminally underwritten character on lost and charlie got way too much screen time in season 2. desmond's my fav but that's because flashes before your eyes made me wanna cry. spn did an episode like that and it also made me wanna cry. something about big burly men sacrificing their own happiness for the betterment of those around them in literal paradise makes me weepy, i guess.
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Slow says


mist says


Slow says

i liked sawyer too.


i liked that the writers kept finding excuses for him to take off his shirt


i liked sawyer. he was a funny dude and i empathized with him. jack sucked though. same with locke.


i completely agree. i kinda liked locke at first but eventually he got annoying. jack was annoying to start.
over 9 years
i got a job making radio edits of songs just so i could add police sirens in them
deletedover 9 years

mist says


Slow says

i liked sawyer too.


i liked that the writers kept finding excuses for him to take off his shirt


i liked sawyer. he was a funny dude and i empathized with him. jack sucked though. same with locke.
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Sims says

i go into schools and raise the volume on all of the computers so when somebody watches a video everyone hears it and they get embarrassed. i'm in it for the long con.


i leave a loud video of a guy in a french accent saying " fuckk america, fuckk america, they are all stupid pigs" on the macintosh computer every time i have lunch in my middle school library.
over 9 years
Preferably from my posterior, though
deletedover 9 years

Slow says

i liked sawyer too.


i liked that the writers kept finding excuses for him to take off his shirt
over 9 years

Sims says

i like to bring fast food onto airplanes so everyone gets the smell of it and is either grossed out or hungry


I like to remove fast food on airplanes, so that everyone gets the smell.
over 9 years
i like to bring fast food onto airplanes so everyone gets the smell of it and is either grossed out or hungry
over 9 years

UniversalStudios says


UniversalStudios says

Cool traction. Someone tell me how do I make the Red bars? Formatting is important.





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over 9 years
i go into schools and raise the volume on all of the computers so when somebody watches a video everyone hears it and they get embarrassed. i'm in it for the long con.
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Sims says

they call me long con john


they call me vile kyle.
over 9 years

UniversalStudios says

Cool traction. Someone tell me how do I make the Red bars? Formatting is important.

over 9 years
they call me long con john