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How to go about removing FP

over 9 years

Why Fancy Pants needs to go in the first place.

My main gripe with FP is that you can literally join games and self vote and you'll still end up with a positive w/l ratio. This isn't speculation, go do it. The fact that you reliably win as town with no skill other than following the ingrained pointfarming tactics that come with prolonged play of the setup is why it's currently 53% townsided. If people were mastering how to succeed at the site as a whole and not just FP, the setup could be in the high 60% and you can see this in players that have no clue what to do when a PR dies, but maintain a 60% win ratio with FP as their primary setup. FP can exist as a pointfarm but it can't include the gunsmith setup because that's what's keeping mafia from being able to do anything reliably in the setup.

The setup was made to pointfarm and the behaviors you adapt playing this setup currently plague the site in so far as people don't know how to lynch mafia in auto win scenarios, don't know how to or realize that they should be identifying both town and mafia in every game they play, and will go out of their way to try and setup hammers for the clear in lieu of putting effort into winning games for themselves. These are the most prevailing of them but they are vast and will require a full scale restructuring of how this functions in order to solve.

Mods need to take the game seriously

They currently don't. They take their handling of the community seriously, but I don't think any of the mods currently think about the impact of their verdicts based on the outcome of games, but solely from a vio or no vio perspective and this needs to stop.

We need the mods to do more than just vio/no vio if we're going to have any meaningful change. This isn't an assault on people for being bad at the game as a whole. If I've learned anything from coming back to this site, it's that I can't hold people responsible for things they've never been subjected to such as competition, role models, and the game being played in a way that isn't corrupted by pointfarming. To this end pointfarming behaviors need to be eradicated through the use of the report system. This starts with ISP, we currently have a mod appealing an ISP report and even though I haven't read the game, I feel for what he typed in the appeal. You shouldn't be forced to play around people that are going to do the minimum required to not get a violation. The process of reading the game and outing your opinions on people's alignment shouldn't be a rarity, it should happen every game.

This is a good transition to include playing to win. Playing to win doesn't include waiting for the clear to play the game for you. It doesn't include contributing nothing but filler and omgus until the clear is ready to vote. Playing to win means that in any game from a player you spectate you see them putting forth effort into achieving their win condition. This is a rare quality in the current meta and it's why few people take this game seriously. This needs to be a requirement because "FP" has stripped this from the average player.

Mafia is a team game

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more trophy winners played classic mafia win trophies showed in games so they could show off their trophies to the noobs and be respected/sheeped/praised/d rode.

^^ Fact
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Jaleb says


Slow says


Jaleb says


Devante says

"the best role"


Orc reveals, bomb automatically kills a maf, gs gives town a ml. Cop? Makes a lousy cc battle that didn't happen with isp mafia members


cop's in every setup.


Still doesn't make him the best, just guaranteed


your argument makes no damn sense then. good role + good role should naturally lead to a townsided setup. what are you arguing
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ling says

i think i need the rosetta stone to help me translate your point


this isn't a civil rights discussion ling
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i don't get what you're trying to say i'm just laughing at the thought of a "best role"
over 9 years

Slow says


Jaleb says


Devante says

"the best role"


Orc reveals, bomb automatically kills a maf, gs gives town a ml. Cop? Makes a lousy cc battle that didn't happen with isp mafia members


cop's in every setup.


Still doesn't make him the best, just guaranteed
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Jaleb says


Devante says

"the best role"


Orc reveals, bomb automatically kills a maf, gs gives town a ml. Cop? Makes a lousy cc battle that didn't happen with isp mafia members


cop's in every setup.
over 9 years

Devante says

"the best role"


Orc reveals, bomb automatically kills a maf, gs gives town a ml. Cop? Makes a lousy cc battle that doesn't happen with isp mafia members
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"the best role"
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the only annoying thing connor would do is lengthen games artificially as clear and then mishammer anyway

the real annoying people were riddler, mitch, etc.
over 9 years

ling says

Everyone used to complain about classic mafia (strider made like 10 threads), i havent played FP but its gotta be harder than classic


Town has higher win rate in fp because the cop isn't the best role
over 9 years

Calvin says

i wish i was around when connor was annoying af


combine retti and peta's bad points so just peta's bad traits
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meh, they're basically the same thing except cop doesn't claim day 1, they nl since there isn't a guarenteed doc. it's a pretty boring setup but such is life
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i wish i was around when connor was annoying af
over 9 years
Everyone used to complain about classic mafia (strider made like 10 threads), i havent played FP but its gotta be harder than classic
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show trophies in games again is my point and trophy winners go show off ur trophies in FP and they'll play comp confirmed
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to be honest, most people who have opinions are wrong.
over 9 years
i think i need the rosetta stone to help me translate your point
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btw i really think trophies showing in games made many people progress from (when i was a noob it was classic) to comp lobby. it's probably too late to revert back now that lucid put that stupid custom lobby trophy system.

But me personally, i can remember playing fp then seeing people joining the game with their trophies showing next to their name and wanting to go to comp mainly for that reason.
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ling says


Calvin says

kennedy created a&d, kennedy cheated why is a&d not blacklisted


you werent even here when kenndey played, you arnt even in a 2 year radius of him


so what idiot did u understand my point
over 9 years

Calvin says

kennedy created a&d, kennedy cheated why is a&d not blacklisted


you werent even here when kenndey played, you arnt even in a 2 year radius of him
over 9 years
FP ruins players minds by teaching bad meta
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helsinki says

if you guys had any idea how many reports ive done for "gamethrowing" in fancy pants because the real cop late cced and got auto lynched without discussion


hey mods this guy isn't following the meta i'm familiar and comfortable with to the letter! gt pls ban and refund my red heart and tell me im special
over 9 years

helsinki says

if you guys had any idea how many reports ive done for "gamethrowing" in fancy pants because the real cop late cced and got auto lynched without discussion


youre lucky i didnt report you for that
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helsinki says

if you guys had any idea how many reports i got for "gamethrowing" in fancy pants because the real cop late cced and got auto lynched without discussion


no, we can't, you're in that distant world of modding that us commonfolk can't reach
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if you guys had any idea how many reports ive done for "gamethrowing" in fancy pants because the real cop late cced and got auto lynched without discussion