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How to go about removing FP

over 9 years

Why Fancy Pants needs to go in the first place.

My main gripe with FP is that you can literally join games and self vote and you'll still end up with a positive w/l ratio. This isn't speculation, go do it. The fact that you reliably win as town with no skill other than following the ingrained pointfarming tactics that come with prolonged play of the setup is why it's currently 53% townsided. If people were mastering how to succeed at the site as a whole and not just FP, the setup could be in the high 60% and you can see this in players that have no clue what to do when a PR dies, but maintain a 60% win ratio with FP as their primary setup. FP can exist as a pointfarm but it can't include the gunsmith setup because that's what's keeping mafia from being able to do anything reliably in the setup.

The setup was made to pointfarm and the behaviors you adapt playing this setup currently plague the site in so far as people don't know how to lynch mafia in auto win scenarios, don't know how to or realize that they should be identifying both town and mafia in every game they play, and will go out of their way to try and setup hammers for the clear in lieu of putting effort into winning games for themselves. These are the most prevailing of them but they are vast and will require a full scale restructuring of how this functions in order to solve.

Mods need to take the game seriously

They currently don't. They take their handling of the community seriously, but I don't think any of the mods currently think about the impact of their verdicts based on the outcome of games, but solely from a vio or no vio perspective and this needs to stop.

We need the mods to do more than just vio/no vio if we're going to have any meaningful change. This isn't an assault on people for being bad at the game as a whole. If I've learned anything from coming back to this site, it's that I can't hold people responsible for things they've never been subjected to such as competition, role models, and the game being played in a way that isn't corrupted by pointfarming. To this end pointfarming behaviors need to be eradicated through the use of the report system. This starts with ISP, we currently have a mod appealing an ISP report and even though I haven't read the game, I feel for what he typed in the appeal. You shouldn't be forced to play around people that are going to do the minimum required to not get a violation. The process of reading the game and outing your opinions on people's alignment shouldn't be a rarity, it should happen every game.

This is a good transition to include playing to win. Playing to win doesn't include waiting for the clear to play the game for you. It doesn't include contributing nothing but filler and omgus until the clear is ready to vote. Playing to win means that in any game from a player you spectate you see them putting forth effort into achieving their win condition. This is a rare quality in the current meta and it's why few people take this game seriously. This needs to be a requirement because "FP" has stripped this from the average player.

Mafia is a team game

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mist says


Devante says


Slow says


mist says

bad post


you'd know, hall monitor.


i thought that was Nicole


wouldn't it be a great twist if nattatatalie was nicoie all along? it'be like cakerz 2.0, the longest of long cons


i liked sawyer too.
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Devante says


Slow says


mist says

bad post


you'd know, hall monitor.


i thought that was Nicole


wouldn't it be a great twist if nattatatalie was nicoie all along? it'd be like cakerz 2.0, the longest of long cons
over 9 years
They can't have me.
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zovea's been gone from the site for at least 45 minutes now, i'm sure the illuminati finally got him.
over 9 years
Cool traction. Someone tell me how do I make the Red bars? Formatting is important.
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Slow says


mist says

bad post


you'd know, hall monitor.


i thought that was Nicole
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no it really was a bad post
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Maybe he choked on a chicken bone, that wouldn't be any good. I wanted to see some change in the site meta and zovea is the only one who was willing to be our Ghandi
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mist says

bad post


you'd know, hall monitor.
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bad post
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Devante says

it's been 30 minutes and Zovea still hasn't returned from getting food


wat if he died dood O__O
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it's been 30 minutes and Zovea still hasn't returned from getting food
over 9 years

ling says

Everyone used to complain about classic mafia (strider made like 10 threads), i havent played FP but its gotta be harder than classic


its actually not.
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Jaleb says


Slow says


Jaleb says


Slow says


Jaleb says


Devante says

"the best role"


Orc reveals, bomb automatically kills a maf, gs gives town a ml. Cop? Makes a lousy cc battle that didn't happen with isp mafia members


cop's in every setup.


Still doesn't make him the best, just guaranteed


your argument makes no damn sense then. good role + good role should naturally lead to a townsided setup. what are you arguing


THAT IT IS MORE TOWN SIDED (EASIER) THAN CLASSIC


you know i give up, you and i agree
over 9 years

Jaleb says


ling says

Everyone used to complain about classic mafia (strider made like 10 threads), i havent played FP but its gotta be harder than classic


Town has higher win rate in fp because the cop isn't the best role

over 9 years

Slow says


Jaleb says


Slow says


Jaleb says


Devante says

"the best role"


Orc reveals, bomb automatically kills a maf, gs gives town a ml. Cop? Makes a lousy cc battle that didn't happen with isp mafia members


cop's in every setup.


Still doesn't make him the best, just guaranteed


your argument makes no damn sense then. good role + good role should naturally lead to a townsided setup. what are you arguing


THAT IT IS MORE TOWN SIDED (EASIER) THAN CLASSIC
over 9 years
philly will experience a boon in tourism due to epicmafia
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a scenic sailing trip down the gowanus canal
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devante agreeing with what i said really is the kiss of death to my argument, but i guess you have to pick between getting people like Terra to encourage people to migrate to gold heart games, or the way things currently are
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Jaleb says


Devante says

i don't get what you're trying to say i'm just laughing at the thought of a "best role"


GS, or two different roles that confirm mafia are way better than a role that gets cc'd


u can't cc gs, orc, bomb, doc in fp?
over 9 years
yes, but every round
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Sims says

trophy winners should get exclusive trophy winner rewards as an incentive to win them


like a 3 day vacation to philly?
over 9 years

Devante says

i don't get what you're trying to say i'm just laughing at the thought of a "best role"


GS, or two different roles that confirm mafia are way better than a role that gets cc'd
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i've never ever spent any money on this stupid site because i got tokens from winning all my trophies.
over 9 years
trophy winners should get exclusive trophy winner rewards as an incentive to win them