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Transgenderism

Peta
over 9 years

Transgenderism is a legitimate point of debate whether you like it or not, and it's idiotic, morally repugnant, and outside the boundaries of your jurisdiction as a mod to delete a thread about it. Also Sonseray please link me the South Park clip

ArieI
over 9 years
please google "hierarchy of needs"

edit: sorry bell
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sto p bumping this thread
Orly
over 9 years
im a strong believer that you live with what you are born with, unless it physically / mentally debilitates you and prevents you from living a healthy life.

so while some treatments for extreme derangement due to these disorders is likely appropriate, i suspect there are many people who choose to go forward with surgery/medication that they don't need to subsist.

take, for example, an african boy who is starving on a regular basis. he feels like he is a girl, but does he need to cut off his genitals to keep himself alive and well? probably not, but if he's so inclined, he could become an eunuch. i doubt it is his primary concern, though. food would probably be the top priority.

in short, transgenderism is a #firstworldproblem
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thanks but the truth i spit comes free of charge to the community
Anthony
over 9 years

ArieI says

mod kook

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yeah test5 i recalled in the back of my mind the existence of a limb-/amputation-related disorder, i don't know why i said that
test5
over 9 years

kook says


mikrozoft says

I don't like my legs. I was born to be legless. If you tell me I'm insane, you're oppressing me. Don't give me medicine to make me stop trying to cut off my legs. I have the right to change my body and if you don't support it you're oppressing me.


countering a real condition recognized by psychiatrists worldwide with one that you just invented via strenuous application of the two maximum three neurons in orbit around the dull rock that is your cerebral centerpiece. idiot


Actually, while this is also a false analogy, it is not a false condition. This specifically is known as body integrity identity disorder (BIID).

It is no more comparable to GID, however, as schizophrenia is to autism. They are similar insofar as they are disorders, that's the extent of it.

Also, smashing diss.
ArieI
over 9 years
mod kook
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trans people everywheere: i was born a boy yet feel like a girl. refer to me as she not he please

mikrozoft: hrruhgg hrrrfff i CAN'T DO THAT AAAAAAA
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i'm too damn good at arguing don't even try to keep up with me
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mikrozoft says

I don't like my legs. I was born to be legless. If you tell me I'm insane, you're oppressing me. Don't give me medicine to make me stop trying to cut off my legs. I have the right to change my body and if you don't support it you're oppressing me.


countering a real condition recognized by psychiatrists worldwide with one that you just invented via strenuous application of the two maximum three neurons in orbit around the dull rock that is your cerebral centerpiece. idiot
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not being mean to trans people is MESSED! UP!!! just like it's messed up that lunatic right-wing religious people who have mentally trapped themselves in medieval times are being forced to not withhold abortions from women in modern america
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I had no idea epicmafia was so transphobic.
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Dibbun says


kook says

WHO THE HELL CARES just let ppl do what they want -_______-


Cool idealism bro. The problem is when your social justice is forced on others. Example:

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/04/22/aclu-sues-feds-in-bid-to-make-catholic-groups-provide-abortion-to-illegal/


good job you linked a story in which the correct morality is forced on a morally misguided party
test5
over 9 years

Dibbun says


kook says

WHO THE HELL CARES just let ppl do what they want -_______-


Cool idealism bro. The problem is when your social justice is forced on others.


Which isn't the case, friend. This is a false analogy.
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THsi person wants too change gender .. h e must have been forcde to get such a clinically insane thoght planted in his head, ...
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Hahaha are you arguing that restricting abortion access is the same as a teenager making their own choice
Dibbun
over 9 years

kook says

WHO THE HELL CARES just let ppl do what they want -_______-


Cool idealism bro. The problem is when your social justice is forced on others. Example:

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/04/22/aclu-sues-feds-in-bid-to-make-catholic-groups-provide-abortion-to-illegal/
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WHO THE HELL CARES just let ppl do what they want -_______-
blank
over 9 years
damn sjws
Furry
over 9 years
i knew kenneth zucker sounded familiar

http://www.reddit.com/r/lgbt/comments/17sfnk/twdo_not_send_your_children_to_kenneth_zucker/

why are you associating yourself with this man? he is a dreadful child abuser

"I have many friends that went to him as children. While he treats adult patients curteously, he is mentally, verbally, and sexually abusive towards all child patients, and has been for his entire career. He is a long-time practicer of transsexual (and before it was illegal, homosexual) conversion therapy, and his conversion therapy involves screaming at your child things like "DON'T YOU WANT TO BE NORMAL, YOU SICK LITTLE FREAK?" Throwing things at them, and hitting them in ways that won't leave markings. He forces children as young as 3 to watch and insists on teaching them "the correct way to masturbate as their gender.""

http://www.apsa.org/content/bill-prohibit-abusive-conversion-therapy-children-moves-forward-il-mental-health

i was having issues finding resources against conversion therapy that solely focussed on transgender individuals (because the term conversion therapy applies to all lgbt individuals)

not only is the american psychiatric association against transgender conversion therapy

so is pretty much every american health organization, such as american psychiatric association, national association of social workers, and even big international health organizations such as the world health organization and pan american health organization
Dibbun
over 9 years

Furry says


Dibbun says


Furry says


Dibbun says

Masculinity isn't a curse, if they have depression because they have an uncontrollable urge to mutilate their sexual organs, perhaps anti-psychotic medication would be the most appropriate course of action.


are you legitimately supporting transgender conversion therapy


I'm not the one trying to convert them into something they're not. I'm saying that a desire to remove parts of one body is a pathological disorder and should be treated as a medical condition.


what you're suggesting has proved time and time again that it just kills them and not do what you want it to do


Here's a factbomb for your liberal mind, from http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=90229789 of an interview with psychologist Dr. Ken Zucker.

Question: Theoretically, if you got a kid at an early stage — 2 or 3 — even if the child were on the far side of the spectrum and really had a lot of behaviors that seemed to point in the direction of a transgender identity, do you feel like you could take that child and make that child feel comfortable being the sex he or she was born with?

Answer: Clinically, I would say yes. I've seen many kids over the years present with all the indicators of GID [Gender Identity Disorder], and in terms of my quantitative measures they're very extreme. But the follow-up studies I've done, and others too, show [that] a substantial majority of kids seen for GID in childhood show desistance — that is, when they're older they don't want to be the other sex. We just published a study of 25 girls we first saw in childhood and found that only 12 percent seem to have persistent gender dysphoria when they're older. We find similar rates of persistence in boys.
Furry
over 9 years

Dibbun says


Furry says


Dibbun says

Masculinity isn't a curse, if they have depression because they have an uncontrollable urge to mutilate their sexual organs, perhaps anti-psychotic medication would be the most appropriate course of action.


are you legitimately supporting transgender conversion therapy


I'm not the one trying to convert them into something they're not. I'm saying that a desire to remove parts of one body is a pathological disorder and should be treated as a medical condition.


what you're suggesting has proved time and time again that it just kills them and not do what you want it to do
Dibbun
over 9 years

Furry says


Dibbun says

Masculinity isn't a curse, if they have depression because they have an uncontrollable urge to mutilate their sexual organs, perhaps anti-psychotic medication would be the most appropriate course of action.


are you legitimately supporting transgender conversion therapy


I'm not the one trying to convert them into something they're not. I'm saying that a desire to remove parts of one body is a pathological disorder and should be treated as a medical condition.
Sims
over 9 years
that's one hell of an opinion