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deletedover 9 years

So I was reading around on the internet and apparently people are actually fighting for "Pedosexuals"... it's as it sounds, pedophiles. It baffles me that people are actually such SJW that they could argue for such a thing.... if you don't believe me search for the "fckh8" posters and articles. man.....

deletedover 9 years

Rondar says


Sirius says

and, i mean, it comes to the same effect either way, if you like, rondar. yours is an empty morality, a manipulated morality. it's not worth anything, nor has it any real basis.


Your morality is one that arbitrarily assigns values to complex conditions though, which is similarly weak.


here's you lost up your pseudo-psychologising. my morality is for people who live for people and rightness by them. to want to f*ck children is gone from this.
Satan
over 9 years
rehabilitation is futile:

http://www.dawgsinprison.com
deletedover 9 years

Rondar says

For some reason I thought the judiciary system was a lot less general than that.


nah mandatory minimums are a huge issue here. i dont have the exact numbers in front of me but there was a huge issue with the disparity in minimum sentences for cocaine possession vs crack possession, with crack carrying a much longer mandatory minimum sentence despite being the poorer "street" version of a more affluent, whiter drug. when you hear that mandatory minimums are classist and racist in a lot of cases people aren't kidding
Rondar
over 9 years

BiIIStickers says


Rondar says


BiIIStickers says


Arcbell says

well, the issue you run into at some point is that you can't really tell if someone is rehabilitated until you give them the opportunity to recidivate, which can end badly for the people who die


correct, but i trust a psychiatrist to make this decision more than a parole board


I assumed you have expert input in cases like this in american courts?


yes but they're a much smaller factor than they should be and ultimately things like "good behavior" matter more than a positive psych evaluation, which only reinforces the idea that criminals are only capable of stopping a life of crime because if they don't they'll get punished


What I take from this is that actual rehabilitation is completely neglected though (and well, passively worked against). Pretty gross.
Arcbell
over 9 years

Rondar says


Sirius says

and, i mean, it comes to the same effect either way, if you like, rondar. yours is an empty morality, a manipulated morality. it's not worth anything, nor has it any real basis.


Your morality is one that arbitrarily assigns values to complex conditions though, which is similarly weak.


It looks like morality is just pretty flimsy in general.

ha ha ha...
deletedover 9 years

Rondar says


Sirius says


Rondar says


Sirius says


Rondar says

By dehumanizing these people, you're only giving them more motivation to recidivate.


sometimes you just have to take a stand and say 'good' and 'evi', bro. i mean, what worth are they to you anyway if their only goodness is manipulated goodness? that's literally the game you're playing here. you reduce us to nothing, mere cause and effect.


I feel like every attempt to separate the world into these two categories has failed. You guys are proposing diminishing another person's humanity though. For me that goes way beyond "cause and effect", but is an actual moral dilemma and a reason to be distressed.


i don't think they have tbh, but that people are just getting too lost up their own pseudo-psychologising. there's always a choice. and paedophilia isn't inherent either btw, it's just pure perversion of thought. paedophiles dehumanised themselves.


Aaaand we've reached the fundamental root of our disagreement.


well, i'll grant u that most paedophiles were abused themselves and so are wreaking a sort of vengeance on the world, but there's still a choice in that. in lolita, humbert humbert was robbed of his first, young love, and god would not do that to him, he would have her again. it seems pretty widely accepted that paedophilia isn't inherent bro.
Rondar
over 9 years

Sirius says

and, i mean, it comes to the same effect either way, if you like, rondar. yours is an empty morality, a manipulated morality. it's not worth anything, nor has it any real basis.


Your morality is one that arbitrarily assigns values to complex conditions though, which is similarly weak.
Satan
over 9 years

Rutab says


BiIIStickers says


Rutab says

I don't understand how you can be so sympathetic towards this, I mean I understand if its your friend and you want to help them, but do you have this mindset for all criminals? whose to say that all criminals dont have mental issues?? Homicide, , assault, why not say theyre all deranged and deserve more help than societal isolation?


Seeing as we've decided as a society that punishment is more important than rehabilitation it's kind of irrelevant how many of them are sick, because no one cares enough to distinguish


Pretty sure rehabilitation in such serious areas is futile


dang dude, do your research,,,,,,,,,....,,.,,,,.,,.,,,..,,.,,,.,..,,.,,.,.,.


http://www.coyotecommunications.com/dogs/prisondogs.html
Rondar
over 9 years

Sirius says


Rondar says


Sirius says


Rondar says

By dehumanizing these people, you're only giving them more motivation to recidivate.


sometimes you just have to take a stand and say 'good' and 'evi', bro. i mean, what worth are they to you anyway if their only goodness is manipulated goodness? that's literally the game you're playing here. you reduce us to nothing, mere cause and effect.


I feel like every attempt to separate the world into these two categories has failed. You guys are proposing diminishing another person's humanity though. For me that goes way beyond "cause and effect", but is an actual moral dilemma and a reason to be distressed.


i don't think they have tbh, but that people are just getting too lost up their own pseudo-psychologising. there's always a choice. and paedophilia isn't inherent either btw, it's just pure perversion of thought. paedophiles dehumanised themselves.


Aaaand we've reached the fundamental root of our disagreement.
deletedover 9 years
and, i mean, it comes to the same effect either way, if you like, rondar. yours is an empty morality, a manipulated morality. it's not worth anything, nor has it any real basis.
deletedover 9 years

Rondar says


BiIIStickers says


Arcbell says

well, the issue you run into at some point is that you can't really tell if someone is rehabilitated until you give them the opportunity to recidivate, which can end badly for the people who die


correct, but i trust a psychiatrist to make this decision more than a parole board


I assumed you have expert input in cases like this in american courts?


yes but they're a much smaller factor than they should be and ultimately things like "good behavior" matter more than a positive psych evaluation, which only reinforces the idea that criminals are only capable of stopping a life of crime because if they don't they'll get punished
Rondar
over 9 years
For some reason I thought the judiciary system was a lot less general than that.
deletedover 9 years

Satan says


Arcbell says


Satan says

hahahaha rutab suggesting an idea based upon the premise of a fictional anime


i don't think he was serious.


dang oh well. it made me laugh for a second because it's definitely a rutab thing to do.


no its not
deletedover 9 years

Rondar says


Sirius says


Rondar says

By dehumanizing these people, you're only giving them more motivation to recidivate.


sometimes you just have to take a stand and say 'good' and 'evi', bro. i mean, what worth are they to you anyway if their only goodness is manipulated goodness? that's literally the game you're playing here. you reduce us to nothing, mere cause and effect.


I feel like every attempt to separate the world into these two categories has failed. You guys are proposing diminishing another person's humanity though. For me that goes way beyond "cause and effect", but is an actual moral dilemma and a reason to be distressed.


i don't think they have tbh, but that people are just getting too lost up their own pseudo-psychologising. there's always a choice. and paedophilia isn't inherent either btw, it's just pure perversion of thought. paedophiles dehumanised themselves.
deletedover 9 years

Rondar says


BiIIStickers says


Arcbell says


BiIIStickers says


Rutab says

Bill I'm curious, what do you think about the life sentence for prisons


There are absolutely cases in which removing someone from society permanently is in the best interest of everyone involved, although it's probably unreasonable to expect the courts to decide this


Who can decide?


good question


I feel like courts would actually be in a position to decide this if (and I'm rehashing this idea for the millionth time) the perception of mental illness as a whole changed.

But again, that's just arguing for a far-away ideal.


i mean yeah judges get some leeway but at the end of the day murder 1 is murder 1 in the eyes of the law and i feel like i should conceptually have an issue with that even if i dont really have a better solution
deletedover 9 years
what if they both had to sit in the court room as judges, and like a jury, had to come to a unanimous decision before a sentence
Rondar
over 9 years

BiIIStickers says


Arcbell says

well, the issue you run into at some point is that you can't really tell if someone is rehabilitated until you give them the opportunity to recidivate, which can end badly for the people who die


correct, but i trust a psychiatrist to make this decision more than a parole board


I assumed you have expert input in cases like this in american courts?
deletedover 9 years
What if there were the same regular judges and psychiatric judges, two different jobs
Satan
over 9 years

Arcbell says


Satan says

hahahaha rutab suggesting an idea based upon the premise of a fictional anime


i don't think he was serious.


dang oh well. it made me laugh for a second because it's definitely a rutab thing to do.
deletedover 9 years

Arcbell says

well, the issue you run into at some point is that you can't really tell if someone is rehabilitated until you give them the opportunity to recidivate, which can end badly for the people who die


correct, but i trust a psychiatrist to make this decision more than a parole board
Arcbell
over 9 years

Satan says

hahahaha rutab suggesting an idea based upon the premise of a fictional anime


i don't think he was serious.
Rondar
over 9 years

BiIIStickers says


Arcbell says


BiIIStickers says


Rutab says

Bill I'm curious, what do you think about the life sentence for prisons


There are absolutely cases in which removing someone from society permanently is in the best interest of everyone involved, although it's probably unreasonable to expect the courts to decide this


Who can decide?


good question


I feel like courts would actually be in a position to decide this if (and I'm rehashing this idea for the millionth time) the perception of mental illness as a whole changed.

But again, that's just arguing for a far-away ideal.
deletedover 9 years

Satan says

hahahaha rutab suggesting an idea based upon the premise of a fictional anime


Tis a joke Satan
deletedover 9 years
i feel like it shouldn't be the courts due to a) the myriad problems with the idea of minimum sentences, especially with the latent racism built into many mandatory minimums and b) the inherent unfairness of treating wildly different cases as identical due to the crime committed
Satan
over 9 years
kill all humans, terrible species