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Round 289 Discussion

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so a game just broke where's my refund :^)
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It literally makes no sense how ingrained "defending bad play from bad townies" is in people that play this game.
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Steven says


animegayboy69 says

it stands for expected value, and it's a useful way to try to gauge the balance of basic setups

in practice there are things that throw it off but it's better than throwing crap at the wall and assuming it'll work out, "EM makes tends to balance games a lot more than first glance" is incomprehensible


What's the EV for SDS?

And I wasn't saying that as some kind if law but general observation. I'm not saying all setups will magically turn 60/60 but definitely pure scum hunts should be a bit more balanced than first glance, like 1-2%


No they shouldn't. If the average player didn't completely suck as villager, we'd literally have to give mafia an advantage in pr setups because prs would always be able to edge out mafia. You people will never actually be able to comprehend this because you gave up on DLYV for follow the clear setups.
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BiIIStickers says

the EV of a&d is extremely townsided its pretty funny


if only prs claimed pr day 1...

it would make a difference
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Why does everything keep getting comped and decomped

mods just pause the round or reset it until you get everything straight
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the EV of a&d is extremely townsided its pretty funny
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Hibiki says

EV doesn't really apply with investigative roles


yeah, it can only really be calculated for extremely simple setups. too many variables to account for in SDS, you could maybe sim it but who the hell has time to do that

e: and even then a sim would assume ideal play in all instances which doesn't really happen
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the point payout will suck for town though
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https://epicmafia.com/setup/1184494

mods this setup is completely untested how can you allow this honestly pls decomp immediately
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EV doesn't really apply with investigative roles
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animegayboy69 says

it stands for expected value, and it's a useful way to try to gauge the balance of basic setups

in practice there are things that throw it off but it's better than throwing crap at the wall and assuming it'll work out, "EM makes tends to balance games a lot more than first glance" is incomprehensible


What's the EV for SDS?

And I wasn't saying that as some kind if law but general observation. I'm not saying all setups will magically turn 60/60 but definitely pure scum hunts should be a bit more balanced than first glance, like 1-2%
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... all right, i'm lost
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i wasn't being sarcastic
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no. you presented it as a counter-point. the exclamation point sarcasm would be lost on many, so i had to refute it regardless of your intent
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that's literally what i just said, thanks
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stbs is an exception
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not actually true, stbs is more townsided than you'd expect from random chance!
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EM leans scumsided always
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it stands for expected value, and it's a useful way to try to gauge the balance of basic setups

in practice there are things that throw it off but it's better than throwing crap at the wall and assuming it'll work out, "EM makes tends to balance games a lot more than first glance" is incomprehensible
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Anime what does EV stand for? I'm assuming it has something to do with random chance: if so, I wouldn't rely on that too much. EM makes tends to balance games a lot more than first glance
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66% scum EV so i guess maybe i'm jumping to conclusions, but nightless tends to favor town more than the raw numbers due to townreads
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animegayboy69 says

4v2 nightless being decomped is an absolute joke, though


What the hell?
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4v2 nightless being decomped is an absolute joke, though