I would like to have a thought provoking and civil conversation about ISIS.....what you think will stop them, what will make it worse. Please make this a civil and appropriate discussion. i am looking for a good conversation not a flame war.
Religion doesn't provide morality. At least, religion isn't required -for- a sense of morality. Regardless of your opinion on religion though, I would argue that it actually is highly useful for at the very least a sense of comfort. You can call it weak or unintelligent, but that doesn't change that it actually -is- important. Being in a universe where nothing exists is a very, very terrifying prospect for people.
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As a mildly religious person, I can safely say the only "need" for religion is created by the religions themselves. That doesn't make religion bad, but it's a choice. Not a requirement.
Then I'm totally behind you on that. I would just argue that the cause of violence is within people themselves, and religion acts as a faulty rationale for the violent acts to occur.
I don't want to eradicate anything, just work against any (physically) violent force, again, no matter the cause (because like you said, it may have been there anyway).
I feel like you misunderstood me because I agree with what you said completely.
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it's not even that it's hypocritical, it's sensible in its own ways, it's just ridiculously unfeasible and would probably shake the society that perpetrated it to its core even if it were feasible. but then it's also a political undertaking that just seems too big for the individual proponent of it and thusly something which also very much flirts with being religion/is more in metaphysical consideration than practical
Tbh the problem with this is that along with eradicating violent behavior, you're also eradicating those who need religion or those who become healthy or stable or find a sense of purpose due to it. I would also that violence against other humans would be happening regardless of whether or not religion was a factor, but religion has tragically been used as a scapegoat for ages to justify horrific and ignorant things
I do think eradication is extremely hypocritical. I'd support (and I HATE the English word for this, it sounds so freaking douchey:) "enlightenment" as in the 18th century.
And no I do not mean to imply I am "enlightened", I just think a repeat of the trend to drift away from religion would be benificial.
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meh, i guess they're not that childish, but they're dressed up in definitely.
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it's all religion. notions of eradicating religion are extremely childish/probably just rather thoughtless psychological propping up of some materialistic metaphysical conceptions. it's a question of self-preservation or trying to foster greater unity, really, while the rest is just dressing - atheism vs. christianity isn't much different from aryanism vs. anything else, not psychologically. it's a question of how easily you can kill another person.
It's not that I have anything against religious people, I promise I don't. You know I don't. I defend people's right to a religion all the time (have been doing it all thread). And yes, religion can sometimes bring out the best in people, but I really think a lack of religion would very likely mean an ideally more civil world. It doesn't mean I have the right or ability to do anything against it. People can and should believe what they want to believe, I just think they happen to be wrong. Those are just hypotheticals though, feel free to ignore them.
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A world without religion would honestly be a better one for me, but I understand that not everyone thinks like that and not everyone can live without religion. Some of the smartest people I know are extremely religious. I wouldn't eradicate any religion. I'd simply work against any violent force, not matter the motivation. That's my super liberal side.
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sorry man
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Man, ya never know. Perhaps I am just blinded with the grief of the state my hometown is in thanks to the collective efforts of ISIS and the Assad family.
