Epicmafia

ways roles can be fixed

almost 10 years

post ways roles that are bad can become good

Journalist: differentiate between reports.

Janitor: erase wills. wills are pretty much the bane of this role.

Enforcer: instead of just preventing conversion (next to useless), prevent mafia from being converted and switch other conversions to traitor.

Paralyzer: give him two votes when he uses his power. it's situationally unlikely enough that he'll ever have a use for his power, the extra vote would help.

Fabricator: add keys to fab items. fab is already a good role, but nothing beats a false sense of security.

Lyncher: win on lynch, not on death, unless lynch is overturned. this would fix lyncher being unwinnable on tree/gallis

Siren: if siren predicts her killer, don't kill her. seriously. alternatively: drunk all visitors, in addition to killing if guessing correctly (which is still hard enough)

note this is the perspective of a sandbox player and if you play comp you might not agree because some crappy setup uses one of these roles and depends on its shortcomings

deletedover 9 years

i thought it did work during the day

PapaJacky

over 9 years

Angel: make it work during the day too

cub

over 9 years

cm clock shouldn't be affected by 3rd party kills

it either ends the game n1 or completely ruins clock any following night, ruins the whole thing

TheSmirk

over 9 years

Snipers bullet should have a small chance to penetrate through the first target and continue to hit a second random target.

The

over 9 years

ashtonvann says

maid: just delete the role altogether

But then my Corruptor role (https://epicmafia.com/role/11015) wouldn't be able to absolutely ruin games ;)

cub

over 9 years

it just occurred to me how guiser can become useful:

1. remove will of guised unless forged
2. guiser dies as guiser (not as guised's role)

removing will is obvious but dying as guiser means you can actually guise a pr without becoming automatically outed

deletedover 9 years

ashtonvann says

maid: just delete the role altogether

Seconded

Nocturnul

over 9 years

https://epicmafia.com/game/3681677 this isnt necessarily a way a role could be fixed but hunter and governor work well together apparently

PapaJacky

almost 10 years

Foxie says

taurarius says

Foxie says

you start to run into the problem of alien just being another cop/det/etc

just another mistletoe, who townsides far too often as it is

and unlike mistletoe alien actually can townside

counterargument for that is that there are a lot of maf-siding 3rds anyways (fool/lyncher/CM/etc) so having more/better town-siding 3rds wouldn't be the worst idea.

ashtonvann

almost 10 years

maid: just delete the role altogether

Nitroxium

almost 10 years

Can we change ww so that it dies with no will immediately when it townsides :^)

cub

almost 10 years

taurarius says

Foxie says

you start to run into the problem of alien just being another cop/det/etc

just another mistletoe, who townsides far too often as it is

and unlike mistletoe alien actually can townside

taurarius

almost 10 years

Foxie says

you start to run into the problem of alien just being another cop/det/etc

just another mistletoe, who townsides far too often as it is

SnipersGonnaSnipe

almost 10 years

Fabbed anarchist bomb would get annoying after the 2nd time.

deletedalmost 10 years

Why not? Fab could also give a fabed doll, anarch bomb and suit :P

cub

almost 10 years

Amaranth says

Cthulhu- make it so that thulhu doesn't have to win with cult and can also win by making it to final 2 or having a certain amount of people thulu'd, and maybe make it harder to talk as thulu'd lmao it's a hard knock life for thulu

thulu actually does win solo if it's the last one standing (thulu everyone so they can't vote, then lynch them)

it would be better if it was last 2 instead of last 1 though

Amaranth

almost 10 years

Cthulhu- make it so that thulhu doesn't have to win with cult and can also win by making it to final 2 or having a certain amount of people thulu'd, and maybe make it harder to talk as thulu'd lmao it's a hard knock life for thulu

PapaJacky

almost 10 years

yes but with an individual win condition that allows their investigative knowledge to be utilized in a non-binary way (i.e. if maf, shout blood murder, if town, shut up). you can, of other things, plan out a joint, betray the joint when needed, etc.

cub

almost 10 years

you start to run into the problem of alien just being another cop/det/etc

PapaJacky

almost 10 years

Foxie says

alien isn't as hopeless as siren and actually wins fairly commonly (when it's actually in play)

although here are a few ideas for improving alien:

4. give alien a second meeting to discover another player's alignment, which can be used to claim cop and eliminate mafia threat

5. give alien a villager suit (after all aliens need a disguise)

OR just simple it out and make it so that when an alien probes, they gain knowledge of the probed (that makes perfect sense to the whole lore of an alien abductor at least). what knowledge the alien gets is up for debate, though. it can be cop level knowledge, det level knowledge, etc.

cub

almost 10 years

alien isn't as hopeless as siren and actually wins fairly commonly (when it's actually in play)

although here are a few ideas for improving alien:

1. if alien probes a dead person, protect alien

2. start alien with a "phaser" (gun) which can be used to seal the deal when alien has only 1 probe left

3. alien doesn't need bread to survive starvation since it's not human (can be used in conjunction with 1 or 2)

4. give alien a second meeting to discover another player's alignment, which can be used to claim cop and eliminate mafia threat

5. give alien a villager suit (after all aliens need a disguise)

Uprizzle

almost 10 years

It is sad that there will never be a way to fix alien. It will always be impossible to win as unless you cheat. And cheating in sandbox is just sad.

SnipersGonnaSnipe

almost 10 years

I like Siren.. and that change would make it a lot better..

cub

almost 10 years

Soluciones says

i don't think fabricator should be able to fab keys, keymaker giving keys clears himself instantly, fabbing keys would be difficult for keymaker to make himself clear since it depends on mafia to visit or not a keyed person

that's the point of fab keys: to unclear keymaker

keymaker shouldn't just auto-clear itself, he should become clear if his keys have been proven to work or agent confirms there is no fab (or mafia cleverly makes that false confirmation), just like any other role is subject to equal scrutiny

deletedalmost 10 years

seppuku isnt to yourself, you gaijin