and since creepy girl only exists for sandbox yet nobody seems to like it

make cg doll protect its holder n1, adding a unique mechanic and preventing the stigma surrounding cg autowin

some people still think killing 3rds is the only way clockmaker wins

yes you would have to make sure it's not detrimental to comp, although really i don't see enforcer utilized much at all and i think this could only put it in the spotlight for better setups closed role or otherwise

admin says

Do people want the upgraded Enforcer? (able to redirect converts of nonmafias to traitors?)

I can only speak for sandbox setups since enforcer and shrink have been removed from pretty much every sandbox setup for a long time due to how pointless those roles are. That suggested change for enforcer would make it fun since the issue with enforcer in sandbox is that since games are almost always closed roles, there is no guarantee that an enforcer in a setup is gonna be any more useful than a regular maf (which have almost always been removed from sandbox setups for being too boring).

upgrading enforcer to be more powerful if there is any converting roles in a game and if they are good enough to intercept the conversion would make it a funner role for sandbox. however I can see it being bad for any non-closed roles setups with converting roles guaranteed since it'd make it much easier for maf to win if the enforcer intercepts a conversion.

tl;dr buffing enforcer should be something you ask main lobbiers since we're fine without it but any non-closed-roles games with enforcer may be drastically changed if that buff goes through.

alright fixed

Journalists can't currently tell if they were the one to receive the system message, or if it was the person they journo'd.

what do you mean by differentiate between reports (for journalist?)

Do people want the upgraded Enforcer? (able to redirect converts of nonmafias to traitors?)

i just want the priest to be able to throw holy water on the third party and burn the heathens

ITT sandbox wants to remove competitive roles for no reason

Here's another way to fix them: Delete them

okay anyways.


Don should get a meeting even when NLing or lynching mafia even if the overrule will not work, otherwise claiming/ccing gov is not possible.

you missing the point mate

that is how it works now, this is known, i know this, i even stated it
im saying it's bad and shouldn't work like that because the title of this thread is "ways roles can be fixed" not "observe ways roles currently work"

enough irrelevant spam

yes sorry i edited my post because i didnt see that part, but anyways you did hide besides someone that visited you

cub says

let survivor hide behind visiting roles again

yes i know how it works now, and no that isn't how it worked for the last 2 years this is a recent change. vivor can't hide behind anyone now, chances of using survivor mechanic to win now are about as high as using siren mechanic to win

you hid behind a Stalker which visited you

just got killed as survivor when hiding because you can't hide behind anyone anymore

absolutely useless role now

survivor

let survivor hide behind visiting roles again, now that it can't it the mechanic is almost always useless unless there's tree and vivor chance of surviving is no different than any other player when it should be higher

vivor hiding is already balanced without not being able to

There's currently a trick people can use when playing prophet where if they simply don't pick a reading and wait for kicks they can delay predictions. This may be a glitch, but I think it would actually be better for prophet mechanics if it could just delay predictions. Then there's a good balance of guessing before you die and having a better chance of guessing correctly, so gameplay as prophet doesn't suck eggs.

We can't get rid of snipers tho. Snipersgonnasnipe needs to stand for something!

I agree with Foxie's points on all the roles mentioned.

nvm didnt see this was on the OP

god im sick of rolling jan with ****ing wills

Stop CM being able to win n1.
When a guiser guises, implement the guiser's will instead of the target's.
Allow thulhu to win if last 2 standing.
Have terrorist work through vests - it's a certain maf death, which should be in exchange for a certain town death.
Perhaps give angel more than one save per game.