over 9 years

As we all know, if meteor crashes down on anyone during a game, everyone loses the game and thus loses their heart. This can cause a lot of issues and finger pointing as to who is to blame for meteor happening. I had a recent gave that I've been having to fight to get refunded and I think there's a simple solution to this.

If meteor causes the game to end, the game should be unranked.

It isn't fair to make everyone in the game lose their heart if only certain people forced the meteor to happen and most of the time the game gets refunded anyways.

Any thoughts?

deletedover 9 years
How do you plan on lynching without majority?
over 9 years

Obama says


Giga13 says


Obama says


Giga13 says

Can you stop attacking me and realize what you're saying? If te doc goes off of the clear then they are throwing IF, AND ONLY IF, IT IS METEOR NIGHT AND SCUM WENT FOR SOMEONE ELSE, because the doc should stay on the clear and mafia clearly tried to not force meteor.

Doc gets priority over mafia when it comes to who puts their action on the clear at night time. Otherwise, doc is useless (unless outted with a save on day 1 of a game).


Doc's job is to save the clear

Scum's job is to kill the clear


Scum's job is actually to gain majority. You can do this without killing a clear, and if you can't, then the meteor is a legal option.


OK, that's scum's job

Town's job is to gain majority on mafia


Town's job is to lynch all of the mafia. They begin the game with a majority on the mafia and when they lose it then they lose the game.
deletedover 9 years

TweIve says

There shouldn't be any universe in which mafia can kill a clear with a doctor in the game.


Agreed, get rid of meteor, let the game go on forever until someone caves, then proceed without violations because that's the correct way to play Chess
deletedover 9 years

Giga13 says


Obama says


Giga13 says

Can you stop attacking me and realize what you're saying? If te doc goes off of the clear then they are throwing IF, AND ONLY IF, IT IS METEOR NIGHT AND SCUM WENT FOR SOMEONE ELSE, because the doc should stay on the clear and mafia clearly tried to not force meteor.

Doc gets priority over mafia when it comes to who puts their action on the clear at night time. Otherwise, doc is useless (unless outted with a save on day 1 of a game).


Doc's job is to save the clear

Scum's job is to kill the clear


Scum's job is actually to gain majority. You can do this without killing a clear, and if you can't, then the meteor is a legal option.


OK, that's scum's job

Town's job is to gain majority on mafia
over 9 years

Obama says


Giga13 says

Can you stop attacking me and realize what you're saying? If te doc goes off of the clear then they are throwing IF, AND ONLY IF, IT IS METEOR NIGHT AND SCUM WENT FOR SOMEONE ELSE, because the doc should stay on the clear and mafia clearly tried to not force meteor.

Doc gets priority over mafia when it comes to who puts their action on the clear at night time. Otherwise, doc is useless (unless outted with a save on day 1 of a game).


Doc's job is to save the clear

Scum's job is to kill the clear


Scum's job is actually to gain majority. You can do this without killing a clear, and if you can't, then the meteor is a legal option.

The only reason scum would ever be in this spot is if town got them down to one remaining. Town has earned the advantage fairly by lynching mafia.
over 9 years

TweIve says

Also, it going unranked and the violations still being handed out is a decent compromise.


there we go =) I don't know why anyone ever thought it would be a good idea to have everyone in the game lose because certain people forced a meteor
over 9 years
There shouldn't be any universe in which mafia can kill a clear with a doctor in the game.
deletedover 9 years
Why should mafia conform to town when they're already down a mafia member?
over 9 years
No mafia are either trying to force meteor to get it refunded or are just dense in the brain. Bad argument.

Also, it going unranked and the violations still being handed out is a decent compromise.
over 9 years

Obama says


Giga13 says

What? Them not hitting the docced clear isn't gamethrowinf unless it's autoloss for them. That's how the game works


Again, you don't put yourself in autoloss as town by either

a) not saving

b) saving someone else


Yes but why should the town conform to the mafia when they have successfully gained this advantage by lynching mafia?
deletedover 9 years

Giga13 says

Can you stop attacking me and realize what you're saying? If te doc goes off of the clear then they are throwing IF, AND ONLY IF, IT IS METEOR NIGHT AND SCUM WENT FOR SOMEONE ELSE, because the doc should stay on the clear and mafia clearly tried to not force meteor.

Doc gets priority over mafia when it comes to who puts their action on the clear at night time. Otherwise, doc is useless (unless outted with a save on day 1 of a game).


Doc's job is to save the clear

Scum's job is to kill the clear
over 9 years
I personally don't think either side should get a gamethrowing violation because an argument can be made for both sides and giving a violation is a bit extreme.

However, since the game will only be refunded if there is a violation, I think mafia should get a violation so I get my heart back =)
over 9 years
Can you stop attacking me and realize what you're saying? If te doc goes off of the clear then they are throwing IF, AND ONLY IF, IT IS METEOR NIGHT AND SCUM WENT FOR SOMEONE ELSE, because the doc should stay on the clear and mafia clearly tried to not force meteor.

Doc gets priority over mafia when it comes to who puts their action on the clear at night time. Otherwise, doc is useless (unless outted with a save on day 1 of a game).
deletedover 9 years

Giga13 says

What? Them not hitting the docced clear isn't gamethrowinf unless it's autoloss for them. That's how the game works


Again, you don't put yourself in autoloss as town by either

a) not saving

b) saving someone else
over 9 years

Sims says

if the mafia is hitting someone they know will be docced and it isnt autoloss for them, it should be gamethrowing


here take care of this https://epicmafia.com/report/117781
over 9 years
it's fair because mafia is about being enslaved by the majority. If you failed to persuade the majority to play wisely you deserve your loss.
over 9 years
if the mafia is hitting someone they know will be docced and it isnt autoloss for them, it should be gamethrowing
over 9 years
What? Them not hitting the docced clear isn't gamethrowinf unless it's autoloss for them. That's how the game works
deletedover 9 years

Giga13 says


Obama says


Giga13 says


Obama says

Town still has a chance to win if you don't doc the clear

Check, your move


It's town's job to keep their players alive. It's mafia's job to take them out. If the mafia know who the doc is going to be on (the clear) then clearly going for someone else is a better option for them.

You can't make doc not save clears....that twists the foundation of the doctor role to begin with (i.e. makes the role useless)


Not hitting the clear strides again the mafia's easiest and most optimal win-con


How? They can hit other townspeople and hope for a mishammer from the clear. It's not like it's confirmed autoloss for them if they stray off of hitting the clear at night (and if it is, then they have the right to force meteor).


Get this: The doctor can also save other people if the mafia decide to go for someone else

Every argument you apply can be used for either side, chances are you&System are just frustrated and biased because you missed out on a win once or twice due to it
deletedover 9 years
"I'm allowed to play to my win-condition but I sure hope the mafia aren't, because they would be gamethrowing"
over 9 years

Obama says


Giga13 says


Obama says

Town still has a chance to win if you don't doc the clear

Check, your move


It's town's job to keep their players alive. It's mafia's job to take them out. If the mafia know who the doc is going to be on (the clear) then clearly going for someone else is a better option for them.

You can't make doc not save clears....that twists the foundation of the doctor role to begin with (i.e. makes the role useless)


Not hitting the clear strides again the mafia's easiest and most optimal win-con


How? They can hit other townspeople and hope for a mishammer from the clear. It's not like it's confirmed autoloss for them if they stray off of hitting the clear at night (and if it is, then they have the right to force meteor).
over 9 years

Obama says


TweIve says


Obama says


TweIve says


Obama says


TweIve says

This is actually really simplistic.


Why is scum to blame if the night-kill + night-protect are both on the same target


Because it has to happen 4 bloody times.


So because something has to repeat itself it's natural to blame the mafia instead of the doctor?


"I'm just gonna kill this guy again, even though it didn't work the last 3 times"

They're doing it with full knowledge that doctor's probably going to be on them.


"I'm just gonna doc this guy again even though I'm positive scum is gonna hit him"


No? It's meteor so mafia shouldn't ram the guy again, when I'm doc, and it hits the fourth night in a row I'm expecting mafia to hit somewhere else because I'm assuming that they have a bloody brain.
deletedover 9 years

Giga13 says


Obama says

Town still has a chance to win if you don't doc the clear

Check, your move


It's town's job to keep their players alive. It's mafia's job to take them out. If the mafia know who the doc is going to be on (the clear) then clearly going for someone else is a better option for them.

You can't make doc not save clears....that twists the foundation of the doctor role to begin with (i.e. makes the role useless)


Not hitting the clear strides again the mafia's easiest and most optimal win-con
over 9 years

Obama says

Town still has a chance to win if you don't doc the clear

Check, your move


It's town's job to keep their townies alive. It's mafia's job to take them out. If the mafia know who the doc is going to be on (the clear) then clearly going for someone else is a better option for them.

You can't make doc not save clears....that twists the foundation of the doctor role to begin with (i.e. makes the role useless)
deletedover 9 years

TweIve says


Obama says


TweIve says


Obama says


TweIve says

This is actually really simplistic.


Why is scum to blame if the night-kill + night-protect are both on the same target


Because it has to happen 4 bloody times.


So because something has to repeat itself it's natural to blame the mafia instead of the doctor?


"I'm just gonna kill this guy again, even though it didn't work the last 3 times"

They're doing it with full knowledge that doctor's probably going to be on them.


"I'm just gonna doc this guy again even though I'm positive scum is gonna hit him"