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Meteor

apeescaper
over 9 years

As we all know, if meteor crashes down on anyone during a game, everyone loses the game and thus loses their heart. This can cause a lot of issues and finger pointing as to who is to blame for meteor happening. I had a recent gave that I've been having to fight to get refunded and I think there's a simple solution to this.

If meteor causes the game to end, the game should be unranked.

It isn't fair to make everyone in the game lose their heart if only certain people forced the meteor to happen and most of the time the game gets refunded anyways.

Any thoughts?

deletedover 9 years

TweIve says

You're a player from before meteor so let me demonstrate this out clearly for you;

When you force meteor, you're giving up all chance of winning.

If you had chance of winning, you just threw that away.

Throwing away any chance of winning is literally the concept of gamethrowing.


If you're protecting someone you're imagining is gonna get night-killed, you're throwing, not the mafia
Giga13
over 9 years
If you remove the meteor people will nl/nk forever
deletedover 9 years

apeescaper says


Obama says


apeescaper says


TweIve says


If meteor caused games to go unranked then people would force meteor when they were in a bad position. AKA it's a terrible solution which would only create more irritation.



people force meteor when they are in a bad position already. And they would still get violations and such if meteor made the game unranked instead of everyone losing hearts


Why would you get a violation if the game unranks, no one loses anything


why would you get a violation if you suicide when you are losing and the game unranks, no one loses anything


You shouldn't
TweIve
over 9 years

apeescaper says


TweIve says


If meteor caused games to go unranked then people would force meteor when they were in a bad position. AKA it's a terrible solution which would only create more irritation.



people force meteor when they are in a bad position already. And they would still get violations and such if meteor made the game unranked instead of everyone losing hearts


IF the person has any chance of winning when he forces meteor then he's throwing the game and deserves the violation. The game being refunded is a compromise to the unfair action that's been fired off at the opposite side to the one that forced meteor.
apeescaper
over 9 years

Obama says


apeescaper says


TweIve says


If meteor caused games to go unranked then people would force meteor when they were in a bad position. AKA it's a terrible solution which would only create more irritation.



people force meteor when they are in a bad position already. And they would still get violations and such if meteor made the game unranked instead of everyone losing hearts


Why would you get a violation if the game unranks, no one loses anything


why would you get a violation if you suicide when you are losing and the game unranks, no one loses anything

oh because its against the rules
deletedover 9 years

apeescaper says


TweIve says


If meteor caused games to go unranked then people would force meteor when they were in a bad position. AKA it's a terrible solution which would only create more irritation.



people force meteor when they are in a bad position already. And they would still get violations and such if meteor made the game unranked instead of everyone losing hearts


Why would you get a violation if the game unranks, no one loses anything
TweIve
over 9 years
You're a player from before meteor so let me demonstrate this out clearly for you;

When you force meteor, you're giving up all chance of winning.

If you had chance of winning, you just threw that away.

Throwing away any chance of winning is literally the concept of gamethrowing.
apeescaper
over 9 years

TweIve says


If meteor caused games to go unranked then people would force meteor when they were in a bad position. AKA it's a terrible solution which would only create more irritation.



people force meteor when they are in a bad position already. And they would still get violations and such if meteor made the game unranked instead of everyone losing hearts
deletedover 9 years

TweIve says

If you force meteor when you have any chance to win then you've thrown the game. (Given up any chance to win) If any other party still had chance to win the game is refunded because that chance they had to win was taken from them from something out of their control.

The whole concept is stupidly simplistic yet so many people fail to grasp it.

If meteor caused games to go unranked then people would force meteor when they were in a bad position. AKA it's a terrible solution which would only create more irritation.

For docsave situations; Mafia are ramming their night kill into the person with the knowledge that they're almost definitely going to get saved AKA are willingly throwing the game. So it's mafia's fault.


It's less embarrassing for you if you don't tl;dr before being wrong
inimitable
over 9 years

TweIve says

If you force meteor when you have any chance to win then you've thrown the game. (Given up any chance to win) If any other party still had chance to win the game is refunded because that chance they had to win was taken from them from something out of their control.

The whole concept is stupidly simplistic yet so many people fail to grasp it.

If meteor caused games to go unranked then people would force meteor when they were in a bad position. AKA it's a terrible solution which would only create more irritation.

For docsave situations; Mafia are ramming their night kill into the person with the knowledge that they're almost definitely going to get saved AKA are willingly throwing the game. So it's mafia's fault.


false; you are wrong
TweIve
over 9 years
If you force meteor when you have any chance to win then you've thrown the game. (Given up any chance to win) If any other party still had chance to win the game is refunded because that chance they had to win was taken from them from something out of their control.

The whole concept is stupidly simplistic yet so many people fail to grasp it.

If meteor caused games to go unranked then people would force meteor when they were in a bad position. AKA it's a terrible solution which would only create more irritation.

For docsave situations; Mafia are ramming their night kill into the person with the knowledge that they're almost definitely going to get saved AKA are willingly throwing the game. So it's mafia's fault.
animegayboy69
over 9 years
the answer is get rid of meteor
Plissken
over 9 years
I am so sick of everyone whining about stuff and wanting to infract ppl. this. seriously, enjoy the damn game and let the meteors be as they are. i like meteors. they are a rare love of mine
Manning
over 9 years
remove meteor. let games go until someone caves
apeescaper
over 9 years
i was never trying to argue about who is gamethrowing when. I'm proposing that the game goes unranked instead of everyone having to wait for a refund
inimitable
over 9 years
i thought meteor was spelt as metoer? no?
deletedover 9 years
that still blows my mind til this day. like really.
deletedover 9 years
https://epicmafia.com/report/106392
https://epicmafia.com/report/106393
refer to this, where doc literally gets *a note for GT* for doccing on the clear when mafia wasn't in autoloss.
deletedover 9 years
You barely ever "need" to kill the clear
Orly
over 9 years

Sims says

it depends on the context. if the town is good, they'll say "doc on the clear, mafia kill someone else or you're gamethrowing," which then it would be the mafia's false if they force the meteor


this basically shows how the current meteor-draw mechanic is detrimental to gameplay and invasive in decision making when forced draws are being considered
Sims
over 9 years
if the mafia is in a position that they don't need to kill the clear, i dont see why they need to force a meteor and lose just because they want to
deletedover 9 years

LanaDelRey says


TheShane says


LanaDelRey says

why are meteor laws so complicated? last time i checked, they tried to give doc a note for GT for doccing on clear all nights


It should be the mafia who gets the violation.


that's exactly what I said. unless mafia absolutely 100% loses if they don't kill that person, it's GT for them to keep hitting the save.


Scum's job is to kill. You can't give a violation to mafia for hitting the clear, however you can give a violation to the doctor for saving the person scum would likely kill.
deletedover 9 years

TheShane says


LanaDelRey says

why are meteor laws so complicated? last time i checked, they tried to give doc a note for GT for doccing on clear all nights


It should be the mafia who gets the violation.


that's exactly what I said. unless mafia absolutely 100% loses if they don't kill that person, it's GT for them to keep hitting the save.
TheShane
over 9 years

LanaDelRey says

why are meteor laws so complicated? last time i checked, they tried to give doc a note for GT for doccing on clear all nights


It should be the mafia who gets the violation. If the doc saves the same person over and over and the kill is not happening, what makes you think that doing it on the night of the meteor will show different results? "Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
apeescaper
over 9 years

dilettante says

how about if town forces meteor mafia automatically wins and vice versa


this would be hard to do if there were third parties in the game