The main problem is people using these roles to make "for the lolz" setups that get ranked and become pointfarms. This isn't good. It's easier to remove these problem roles then constantly blacklisting new setups that crop up.

I'll allow Santa, Fab and Voodoo - but if setups with these roles are seen in ranked, I will blacklist.

I initially added them for use in unranked only (like LK in Training lobby, for example).

If you want these roles, you'll have to use them responsibly. If you see people making ranked setups with these roles please let the mods know so we can take care of it.

You have to remember, Main's purpose is for real mafia games, sandbox is for silliness and messing around with different roles. If you want to play setups with these roles, I highly suggest playing in that lobby. I'll allow them again, but please do not make ranked setups with these roles. Thank you.

Oh wow they blacklisted paparazzi too - jesus christ if Main ain't spammed with CM and FP games, the mods aren't happy.

I absolutely agree - if santa and voodoo are both so 'powerful', then they must've been cancelling each other out in my setup cause we got the same balance as BV and that was with unfamiliar mechs and roles. :/

seriously, the new SITD and Emmerr's setups are really fun and way better than lots of other setups. please add back in these roles, as any moderator could see that these types of games with voodoo and santa are recently some of the most frequently played games.

Yes, I honestly think that no roles should be banned, because every role can be combined with others in order to create a balanced setup.

The roles aren't at fault, it is the setup itself that makes a game balanced.

I created two setups with both santa and voodoo.

The first ( https://epicmafia.com/setup/1095951 ) went 54:45 with 62 plays (which is almost as balanced as Fancy Pants and other lame vanilla games and is the SAME ratio as BV) and the second was, in my opinion, gonna show the same sort of balance ( https://epicmafia.com/setup/1099669 ) though we weren't given the opportunity to continue testing as it got blacklisted after 4 plays.

Not only this, but these setups were FUN, and a great deal of people enjoyed them. Unlike CM and FP, there were no groans when you flipped maf cause both town/maf had a decent chance at winning. The game varied (maf could cc virtually anything) and it was training so many players with diff roles and mechanics, as well as optimal gameplay and strats (having to think about what you cc, when to shoot etc).

I was told santa/voodoo were blacklisted for being too 'powerful' - sorry, but on that awesome logic, Jailers make cocos unbalanced and should be blacklisted. There are many other examples of 'overpowering' roles in setups that can swing the success of the game either way.

It's a sad time to be a setup creator in Epic Mafia.

Why not ?

theyve already said they'll be adding roles. be patient.

https://epicmafia.com/setup/1098343
The setup in question ^.^

Well since oksus won't type it out I will. Shortly after Oksus made the new SITD setup which is much better you guys take it down without explanation. There is no reason to make this setup unplayable in Main. Just make the setups unplayable in ranked, and make it unranked only simply. I saw that Bront replied in main lobby to keep it to sandbox, and I think that this set-up is very similar to SITD and there is no reason to keep SITD and remove Oksus's setup. Oksus's setup works much better then SITD, and if anything it should be a ranked game and SITD should be moved to sandbox as it requires much more thought then SITD these days. I'm not asking for this setup to be ranked but I would like it to be brought back to Main lobby unranked so we can continue enjoying it.

ples sign guys