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Kingmaker

Clair
over 10 years

If both conditions end in a win for you, you can essentially cheat

if both conditions end in a loss for you, you can essentially throw

if your win or loss isn't defined by the conditions but someone else's is, it is a combination of both

please ban third parties

Clair
over 10 years
u cant just say "EM is a social game" to make things ok. they are still not ok
thebrontosaurus
over 10 years

Connor says

you asked if an action could be defined as intent to lose


Yeah, because it's suboptimal for one of the possible Amnesiac's future win conditions. It's all water under the bridge though.
deletedover 10 years

Connor says


Cirno says

if you are forced into a situation in which the outcome is the same for you no matter what it isn't possible to "throw" against anybody


U can pick someone cuz theyre running or u hate them


True. People can also pick Night 1 kills based off of the same thing. EM is a social game, there's nothing wrong with it.
Clair
over 10 years
on the flip side, you could joint with some cuz theyre running or u love them
Clair
over 10 years

Cirno says

if you are forced into a situation in which the outcome is the same for you no matter what it isn't possible to "throw" against anybody


U can pick someone cuz theyre running or u hate them
Clair
over 10 years
you asked if an action could be defined as intent to lose
thebrontosaurus
over 10 years

Cirno says

it's just a slippery slope that devolves into even more and more ridiculous bans on gameplay, such as when you tried to ban the amnesiac claiming day 1 on that one setup


Claiming day 1 as amnesiac ruined the setup and made it extra townsided. I didn't "try" to make it illegal, I'm pretty sure I just asked if it was GT, since you basically make your chances of winning with mafia 0.
Clair
over 10 years
he did.
deletedover 10 years

thebrontosaurus says


Connor says


thebrontosaurus says


Cirno says

choosing your friend to win in a kingmaker situation is arguably less against the rules than clearing 3 people off of an N1 kill, but that's perfectly acceptable meta play?


Unfortunately there are no rules against "metaclearing" yourself, although it gets pretty ridiculous where almost everyone clears themselves of an N1 kill.


actually repeated and intentional overuse of meta clearing is deemed as meta abuse


I thought he meant in individual instances, sorry.


I did.
thebrontosaurus
over 10 years

Connor says


thebrontosaurus says


Cirno says

choosing your friend to win in a kingmaker situation is arguably less against the rules than clearing 3 people off of an N1 kill, but that's perfectly acceptable meta play?


Unfortunately there are no rules against "metaclearing" yourself, although it gets pretty ridiculous where almost everyone clears themselves of an N1 kill.


actually repeated and intentional overuse of meta clearing is deemed as meta abuse


I thought he meant in individual instances, sorry.
deletedover 10 years
no i don't misinterpret it
Clair
over 10 years

Cirno says

the point i'm making is that you shouldn't ban roles or strategies that are closely linked to the way the game is played just because you don't like them


U misinterpret my intention
thebrontosaurus
over 10 years
I guess really it comes down to whether you choose to believe the meta or not in that case.

3rd parties are still bad though.
deletedover 10 years
it's just a slippery slope that devolves into even more and more ridiculous bans on gameplay, such as when you tried to ban the amnesiac claiming day 1 on that one setup
Clair
over 10 years

thebrontosaurus says


Cirno says

choosing your friend to win in a kingmaker situation is arguably less against the rules than clearing 3 people off of an N1 kill, but that's perfectly acceptable meta play?


Unfortunately there are no rules against "metaclearing" yourself, although it gets pretty ridiculous where almost everyone clears themselves of an N1 kill.


actually repeated and intentional overuse of meta clearing is deemed as meta abuse
deletedover 10 years
the point i'm making is that you shouldn't ban roles or strategies that are closely linked to the way the game is played just because you don't like them
Clair
over 10 years
slander
thebrontosaurus
over 10 years

Cirno says

choosing your friend to win in a kingmaker situation is arguably less against the rules than clearing 3 people off of an N1 kill, but that's perfectly acceptable meta play?


Unfortunately there are no rules against "metaclearing" yourself, although it gets pretty ridiculous where almost everyone clears themselves of an N1 kill.

"No my bae, I'd never kill him/her. I am metaclear forever. Please allow me to ISP"
deletedover 10 years
you have done it
Clair
over 10 years
i don't believe it's acceptable
deletedover 10 years
choosing your friend to win in a kingmaker situation is arguably less against the rules than clearing 3 people off of an N1 kill, but that's perfectly acceptable meta play?
Clair
over 10 years
oops i forgot that we shouldn't ban things if no one actually cares

this thread will self destruct in 6 hours
deletedover 10 years
they really shouldn't be banned from the competition due to kingmaker paradoxes, since this is a social game
thebrontosaurus
over 10 years
I agree, I loathe 3rd parties. They really should be banned from competition. Some people play kingmaker less obviously and just choose to side with their friends too.

They've never been formally banned at any point though, right?
Clair
over 10 years
did you know that amnesiac allows for cheating as well?