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If both conditions end in a win for you, you can essentially cheat

if both conditions end in a loss for you, you can essentially throw

if your win or loss isn't defined by the conditions but someone else's is, it is a combination of both

please ban third parties

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@derfel-- well that is the best you can do. All you can think of is how to beat me in a game. you can never go beyond that. What i can do is figure out 146 ways to get around that. The fact is that someone like you who has decided to throw against me right here in the thread and is encouraging it, will always throw against me. But i still have a way around it. You dont even know about it. It isnt about the friends people play with. It is about how you deal with trolls and gters. Convincing any normal user is child's play for me. And i know how to convince throwers. I know what clicks. you cant play kingmaker so you will have to go to the scenario where your win condition depends on me too.
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well yes but that's not relevant to the current game
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Kingmaking situations are useful in the sense that matters to Connor insofar as they set meta for future games.
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Lefred says




lol
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pranay7744 says

you have to rely on what you did during the day and hope that it works. During the night all you can do is hope.


one thing you can do is--

flash your vote-- if it doesnt hammer, it means the other player is thinking about it. which means he is more likely to ditch you( if you fall in that scenario). then you ditch the player.


ditching or not ditching the other guy doesnt affect your own win con
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if the killer decided to join with you and is not lying about it, he will immediately kill the town.


if the killer takes time to think then it means he is thinking whether to ditch you or not. if he is thinking he is not true to his word.

if killer decides to ditch you, he will always take some time to think. He will try and think whether you will ditch him or not.
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pranay7744 says


flash your vote-- if it doesnt hammer, it means the other player is thinking about it. which means he is more likely to ditch you( if you fall in that scenario). then you ditch the player.


Good meta there - if ever playing with Pranay, vote quickly to ditch him immediately.
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you have to rely on what you did during the day and hope that it works. During the night all you can do is hope.


one thing you can do is--

flash your vote-- if it doesnt hammer, it means the other player is thinking about it. which means he is more likely to ditch you( if you fall in that scenario). then you ditch the player.
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Connor says


pranay7744 says


Connor says

how do u influence your win condition if it is night time


you do it before the night comes.

1- meta

2- provide meta or fake meta on other users to the player on whose action your win condition depends

3- explain the case to the other player and let him know how he might lose if he decides to do something you dont want him to do. Tell him that his win is not ensured if he does what you dont want him to do. Tell him how he can ensure his win or be more likely to win. You need to convince him or lie to him so that he buys it

4- lie about mechanics

5- beg


i was talking about specifically at night lol


that is what i said-- you do everything before the night. if it is night 1 you throw bread crumbs in pregame. The night is not in your hands technically. But it is in your hands implicitly. You can influence it based on what you do during the day
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Cirno says

Ahhhhhh yeah. Looks like Connor has been defeated by me YET AGAIN. *flexes muscles*

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"when it is no longer possible to influence your win condition"

at night after you have done 1-5
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pranay7744 says


Connor says

how do u influence your win condition if it is night time


you do it before the night comes.

1- meta

2- provide meta or fake meta on other users to the player on whose action your win condition depends

3- explain the case to the other player and let him know how he might lose if he decides to do something you dont want him to do. Tell him that his win is not ensured if he does what you dont want him to do. Tell him how he can ensure his win or be more likely to win. You need to convince him or lie to him so that he buys it

4- lie about mechanics

5- beg


i was talking about specifically at night lol
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@derfel-- you are totally dumb dude. you dont understand a thing about this game. you are worse than cirno. meta is much more than you think it is. and it has nothing to do with friends. i have meta on you and i know how to use it to help me.
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Cirno says


Connor says

how do u influence your win condition if it is night time


Pranay means using skype with someone like Shini.


Yup - that's the one.

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Connor says

how do u influence your win condition if it is night time


you do it before the night comes.

1- meta

2- provide meta or fake meta on other users to the player on whose action your win condition depends

3- explain the case to the other player and let him know how he might lose if he decides to do something you dont want him to do. Tell him that his win is not ensured if he does what you dont want him to do. Tell him how he can ensure his win or be more likely to win. You need to convince him or lie to him so that he buys it

4- lie about mechanics

5- beg
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pranay7744 says



2- meta-- if you always ditch you will always be ditched--
so if you are not forced to go for max payout and you always do that you will never get it



Meta is the very definition of social interaction in this game. So you pretty much proved the point that "kingmaking" for friends is allowed as long as you meet your win condition. Thanks man!

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The fun police are on the case
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Edark says


Connor says

think: night time with killer, mafia and town alive. it is no longer possible to influence your win or loss, as mafia or killer, but you can influence the other people's


This is not a kingmaking situation if this was directed to me


it suffers the same problems and is caused by third parties, even if not kingmaking by definition
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every time pranay makes a serious post in a thread, i can't help but just think of ways to make him mad.
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Connor says

how do u influence your win condition if it is night time


Pranay means using skype with someone like Shini.
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i understand that influence via social interaction is entirely impossible to eliminate however i don't understand how it is possible to influence your win condition when social interaction itself is eliminated
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i do not understand what kingmaker is even after rereading this whole thread but i do know you are all crazy
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how do u influence your win condition if it is night time
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playing kingmaker=gt by precedence. If you do any such thing i will point out precedence and get you a gt vio. It is gt by logic too so you wont be able to argue that you didnt know.
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connor is also not completely right-- it is always in your hands to influence things. You need to play it in a particular way.