Back to Epicmafia

Kingmaker

Clair
over 10 years

If both conditions end in a win for you, you can essentially cheat

if both conditions end in a loss for you, you can essentially throw

if your win or loss isn't defined by the conditions but someone else's is, it is a combination of both

please ban third parties

Edark
over 10 years
We should have a spot in HoF for the people who have the largest friendlists, they are Pro
Edark
over 10 years
Getting friends in ur game is hard :(
pranay7744
over 10 years
cirno and derfel both are bad-


@cirno-- it is always possible to win-- you can nl and hope the maf and killer kill each other. You are not allowed to play kingmaker

@lefred-- going for maximum point payout is questionable because of 2 reasons
1- game theory-- if you ditch the other player he might ditch you too and nobody loses. which means you will always lose if everybody is forced to go for max payout. if killer and maf both are forced to go for max payout then both will kill each other

2- meta-- if you always ditch you will always be ditched--
so if you are not forced to go for max payout and you always do that you will never get it

@sachy-- i asked them to announce but they did not
deletedover 10 years
lol
Edark
over 10 years
I own at risk though, nice try.
deletedover 10 years
Well, playing the social game takes tons of skill. This is probably why you suck so much at RISK. I'd say that social play is very competitive.
Edark
over 10 years

Cirno says

Well, I don't care who it was directed at. The only thing you need to know about this thread is that Connor is arguing about things that he doesn't understand at all.


Using "social reasons" to determine a winner is inherently uncompetive and trying to limit that, even though its not possible to remove it completely, should be encouraged. Two wrongs doesnt make one right.
deletedover 10 years
Well, I don't care who it was directed at. The only thing you need to know about this thread is that Connor is arguing about things that he doesn't understand at all.
Edark
over 10 years
Im p sure that wasnt directed to me though, but got confused when lefred commented on it.
deletedover 10 years
Yea, edark's right. That's more about game theory vs. point payout, not Kingmaking.
Edark
over 10 years

Connor says

think: night time with killer, mafia and town alive. it is no longer possible to influence your win or loss, as mafia or killer, but you can influence the other people's


This is not a kingmaking situation if this was directed to me
deletedover 10 years

Connor says

think: night time with killer, mafia and town alive. it is no longer possible to influence your win or loss, as mafia or killer, but you can influence the other people's


Exactly - this is *competitive* mafia. In fact, it would seem odd NOT to try and limit the amount of points given out.
deletedover 10 years

Connor says


Cirno says


Connor says

think: night time with killer, mafia and town alive. it is no longer possible to influence your win or loss, as mafia or killer, but you can influence the other people's


And this should be against the rules?


no, it should never be possible in competitive play


Why are endgames that are determined by your social game uncompetitive?
Edark
over 10 years
When wincondition doesnt matter , as in kingmaking scenarios, you should always maximize your win. Otherwise you're essentially playing for someone else benefit which is inherently uncompetitive.
Clair
over 10 years

Cirno says


Connor says

think: night time with killer, mafia and town alive. it is no longer possible to influence your win or loss, as mafia or killer, but you can influence the other people's


And this should be against the rules?


no, it should never be possible in competitive play
Edark
over 10 years

Cirno says


Edark says


Connor says


Edark says

its should be against the rules to go for the lesser point pay out win as a thirdparty


your win condition isn't defined by the size of your point payout


Im saying it should be, not that it currently is , regardless if you care about points or not.


It comes down to whether or not you win from doing it. If you don't like social aspects of the game then just dodge third parties altogether.


In kingmaking scenarios you already won, so thats irrelevant. Going for 10 points insted of 120 is ***.
deletedover 10 years

Connor says

think: night time with killer, mafia and town alive. it is no longer possible to influence your win or loss, as mafia or killer, but you can influence the other people's


And this should be against the rules? You've tried to use this to your advantage yourself. I don't see what the problem is.
deletedover 10 years

Edark says


Connor says


Edark says

its should be against the rules to go for the lesser point pay out win as a thirdparty


your win condition isn't defined by the size of your point payout


Im saying it should be, not that it currently is , regardless if you care about points or not.


It comes down to whether or not you win from doing it. If you don't like social aspects of the game then just dodge third parties altogether.
Clair
over 10 years
think: night time with killer, mafia and town alive. it is no longer possible to influence your win or loss, as mafia or killer, but you can influence the other people's
Edark
over 10 years

Connor says


Edark says

its should be against the rules to go for the lesser point pay out win as a thirdparty


your win condition isn't defined by the size of your point payout


Im saying it should be, not that it currently is , regardless if you care about points or not.
Clair
over 10 years

Cirno says

Kingmaking is when your win condition has already been met or failed


also, when it is no longer possible to influence it
deletedover 10 years
Ahhhhhh yeah. Looks like Connor has been defeated by me YET AGAIN. *flexes muscles*
Edark
over 10 years
fool townsiding when they can win maf is pure *** and is basically throwing
Clair
over 10 years

Edark says

its should be against the rules to go for the lesser point pay out win as a thirdparty


your win condition isn't defined by the size of your point payout
deletedover 10 years

Edark says

its should be against the rules to go for the lesser point pay out win as a thirdparty


Agreed - should always be maximizing your point total.