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Cheating Investigation Unit

over 10 years

We are looking for a group of community members to be a part of a full-time Cheating Investigation Unit (CIU). We feel that this will streamline cheating investigations, make less work for mods and community members who dedicate their time to it, as well as get more people involved in the community. Our hope is to catch more cheaters and deter people from cheating, as we will be able to use this team as a more vigilant watch.

This will be a team supervised by the mod team. You will be invited to a skype chat where round investigations will be discussed. This will be overseen by myself as well as any mods interested in assisting in handling cheating. We will be your go to people for any information or guidance you may need during the investigative process.

This would largely mean looking through games played and reading games of players near the top of the scoreboard, checking for any instances of rolesharing, meta abuse, multi-accounting or any form of cheating / sketchy play. This would also include making piratepads/pastebins or any sort of documents summarizing the games in question and what the alleged cheater is being accused of. With a sizable team of cheating investigators split between the two lobbies, we can effectively quash cheating more efficiently and prevent things from slipping through the cracks, as well as preventing the round from being paused needlessly.

This position would commit you to various levels of work, depending on demand and whether or not there is cheating present. We are looking for people with a strong interest in catching cheaters, experience in creating pastebins, and an in-depth knowledge of past cheaters and their tells.

If you are interested in being a part of the Cheating Investigation Unit, please copy the following application, fill it out with your info and PM it to me. I'll be accepting applications on a rolling basis and adding people to the team on an as needed basis.

Here is the application questionnaire: PMs not in this format will be ignored.

Name:

Date:

  1. Why do you want to be a part of the EM Round Cheating Squad?

  2. When it comes to cheating, what do you think you're best at detecting?

  3. Have you ever cheated before, and if so, how did you cheat?

  4. Have you done any sort of investigative work before? If so, could you provide some examples of your work?

  5. If there's any other important information we should know about you, please say so here.

over 10 years
2 months ago, Howl would be applying and defending the idea
deletedover 10 years
I dont see why anyone would want to do this.. no offence
deletedover 10 years
pranay .. you live in india lulz
over 10 years
WHY cant you guys leave the comp lobby as it is. We love it for what it is. Stop changing everything and follow the rules and precedents established. How hard it is? Demod the mods who dont follow the rules and precedents properly. Stop changing everything. HOMEOSTASIS. please
over 10 years
So much lulz in this thread.
deletedover 10 years
I like this idea! I think it'll be beneficial to the community.
deletedover 10 years

Venus says

Does that mean cloud will get demodded if so I think this is the best idea


lmao
deletedover 10 years
Does that mean cloud will get demodded if so I think this is the best idea
over 10 years

Happeh says

who has the time???


Clearly not the volunteer mods of epicmafia.com.

Lets give the community mod work but no mod powers and hope this turns into something sustainable.
deletedover 10 years
- Seven times out of ten, I'll estimate, the overseeing moderators will need to check over the work done by the """""investigation""""" team. Is this really going to help bring the workload off of the moderators as people claim? I don't think so, in fact, it may just bring it to the front of the queue past other pressing problems that have come up at hand. If the purpose of this team is to find and catch cheaters red-handed, then the team should be able to make sure these cheaters are kept from doing more of it.


Thhis
over 10 years
As well as a couple of cons...

- There are those that would apply and potentially get accepted just to say that they acquired a slot on this team. People like this crop up every now and then, they can be dubbed as attention ***. Once on the team, they would most likely do little to nothing or what work they would accomplish would be sub-par to those who are actually passionate about the job they applied for. This is the Internet. People can make you believe anything they want you to believe. Think about that.

- Seven times out of ten, I'll estimate, the overseeing moderators will need to check over the work done by the """""investigation""""" team. Is this really going to help bring the workload off of the moderators as people claim? I don't think so, in fact, it may just bring it to the front of the queue past other pressing problems that have come up at hand. If the purpose of this team is to find and catch cheaters red-handed, then the team should be able to make sure these cheaters are kept from doing more of it.

Other than these thoughts, I'll abstain this issue.
over 10 years
Um.

Well, you see, as some people have pointed out, there might be those people who might ask to join this team just to gain the status of being on the CIU, and once a part of that, may or may not perform the duties required, since they achieved the status they desired. There's always a risk factor when attempting to look for volunteers of any sort, but perhaps that would be something administration would have to take into consideration as they would with applicants of any sort.

Now, there are a couple of pros to something like this:

- When you acquire several individuals tasked with finding the same things and purging them, or when acquiring several individuals tasked with performing the same duties of any discipline, they will begin to work more harmoniously together and achieve a sort of synchronization. This happened with the great forum wipe of pre 5.0, people got together with a similar will of keeping the site here, and lo and behold, even the unlikeliest of people came and helped bring us back to what we have today. Groupthink is something that you -need- if you're going to make something like this work.

- If people noticed, past cheaters are quite encouraged to join this team. No one would know better what cheating looks like than someone who has done it before. Now this does not mean that an entire unit full of past cheaters would fly. I'm just saying that if you would take a moment to consider someone with actual experience doing the dirty instead of someone who can preach on and on about how they have made a couple pastebins before and how they're practically detectives already should not be a part of this. Consider having someone with inside knowledge on the team, like Samantha or Delicate. Who would be better to catch cheaters than someone who's already done it before?
deletedover 10 years
there should also be a massive red button giving every user unrestricted permission to delete your account.
over 10 years
who has the time???
over 10 years
There should be a big thread in the mod forum called LIST OF SUSPECTS with names that get crossed out as they're taken down.
deletedover 10 years
oh, this sounds lame anyway.
deletedover 10 years
am i still listed in black
over 10 years

Venus says

Trial mods worked out so great.


It got rid of 3 *** whose behavior wasn't serving the mods or the community and to be frank Laurie is doing more for this site than you are.
over 10 years

Eris says

There's actually a certain mindset that goes into all this, plenty of really intelligent people would not be good at this because they lack the perceptive abilities required to spot cheating or separate some suspect but innocent cases from cases of actual cheating.

You really need people like Gira else you'll end up duplicating work when the mods go over the games AGAIN(really pointless) or you'll end up with a lot of people either slipping through or being falsely accused, the latter will bring down ruin upon whichever unfortunate mod executed the mod actions.


People dedicated to reading through countless games with the hope of finding something to bring someone down.
over 10 years
i mean banning someone 1st place in the round or taking down a 30 person cheating ring :-)
deletedover 10 years
There is not many "good" at this
over 10 years

Sims says

arcbell was also a pretty mediocre cheating mod and never made big enough cheating decisions to judge him accurately


you mean big enough cheating guilties
over 10 years
It is just my interpretation, so I could be way off than what he intended this to be.

Howl has no idea about the rules or how they are applied, but he is not unintelligent. He just lacks skills, but overall, he is not a dumb person.

I could imagine this team, in the first few months as a training facility - the new ones rereading games of people under the top 5, alerting mods if there is anything sketchy.

This is not about making a Cheating Mod team. It's just to get people into one group who are good at/interest in this, and get the most out of it by information flow.

The main investigations will be done by mods anyway, since unknown alts can make a huge difference (runner throwing against the other, multiaccounting etc.)
deletedover 10 years
Yeh, and it's doubly true for training, training cheating especially if it involves some massive clique has to be air tight or else bad things will happen (tm)
deletedover 10 years
Eris is right. You have to know what you are looking for. And because they arent perfectly written up they are going to get written off.