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Greetings, ladies and gentlemen.

It is I -- the grand Jamal Tiberius Marley here to discuss some things with the community.

Speaking of community.. User Shoopie decided that it was a bright idea to come to our great Sandbox lobby and pretend that she is a member of this community -- she is not.

You know who is a member of this community? Jamal Tiberius Marley.

The same Jamal Tiberius Marley who has been here for years, the same who has dedicated time and energy into improving this lobby.

Shoopie dared call into question my ability to run the lobby yet her ignorance was made apparent during this period of poor decision making.

I have provided Sandbox with hundreds of poll suggestions in order to regularly engage the community, you may ask user Bebop to attest to the overwhelming amount of ideas I had for said polls.

I have provided a reason for users to come to this lobby as my presence was irresistible. Whenever I am out of hibernation, everyone always pays attention to me. Everyone wants to be keeping up with Jamal Marley. I give people a reason to log in every day.

I have been a member of this community who does not just post on the forums, who does not simply sit in the chatbox all day, I also play games and have played games since my arrival on this site. I participate in all facets of this lobby -- I am so well-rounded.

My work also expands to the greater website as I was a part of the Role Patrol who created many roles that were released in the last wave of roles and there are still plenty of unreleased roles that I have made and contributed to: https://epicmafia.com/topic/81195 https://epicmafia.com/role/15711 https://epicmafia.com/role/15712 https://epicmafia.com/role/15713

I have been saying since my return from hibernation that this lobby was stolen from me and this is the truth. Allow me to revive my State of Sandbox address after the theft occurred: https://epicmafia.com/topic/82921

I laid out my ideas for the community, some obviously still in development as I had little notice before taking over the lobby, yet the ideas were there nonetheless and I was ready to start rolling out changes. At the end of the thread I gave my support to user Dooze in the event that people did not support me -- yet the people did support me. I had my hopes that user Dooze would implement some grand changes to revive what was already a decaying community, yet she did no such thing.

My ideas are not complex, I am not likely not the first one to think of them, yet I was evidently the only one who had the drive and initiative to desire a change and push for a better community.

If you do not wish to click the State of the Sandbox address, then here are some of the unedited ideas from the thread:

I did not intend to rule alone or with just the moderators I choose, I was not interested in a clique ruling the lobby like we are going to have with an owner like Merlot and like we had with Bebop. This secretive clique may be great for those who Merlot and Bebop are looking out for (themselves, other site moderators), but it is not good for the people. I intended to rule with transparency -- true transparency. I wanted the people of Sandbox to help make decisions and I intended to start up open forums to hear what you had to say on issues such as what the role of the lobby moderator should be since they do not do much (I will talk about this more later on in this thread) and if the moderators and I could not come to a decision about what to do with controversial issues like certain users posting content in the lobby chat, then we'd create an open forum allowing the people to have their say on the issue.

The role of the moderators would drastically change, making them more useful within the lobby as I have seen many people say that moderators just aren't needed in Sandbox, here are the descriptions of the roles that I created with the help of some of my friends which were set to be included in the moderator applications yesterday before the lobby was stolen from me:

Position: Forum Moderator Description: The forum moderator is the peace keeper of the forums. Their responsibilities include sticking the most relevant threads to the lobby wall, moving topics to their appropriate location, judging and enforcing rules violations in forums, and creating topics of interest. You should apply if: You are a very active user. You enjoy reading TheLastProphet’s and MeetTerry’s posts. You are organized.

Position: Games Moderator Description: The Games Moderator will have several responsibilities all of which include keeping the community having fun. The Games mod will be in charge of choosing the stickied setups, hosting setups and introducing new ones, hosting forum games or alternative games outside of sandbox or promoting games others are hosting. You should apply if: You are a very active user. You are creative. You are a good host. You enjoy the mafia based aspect of this mafia simulator site.

Position: Enforcer Moderator Description: The Enforcer Moderator will be the strong arm of the law. They must enforce the rules and will make no leeway for personal relationships. While all mods enforce the rules, the Enforcer Mod will be the primary mod to handle violations, give out punishment, police the lobby wall and lobby chat, and serve anyone who feels their experience in sandbox is being affected by other users. You should apply if: You are a very active user. You consider yourself tempered and level-headed. You are neither an SJW nor a racist. You’re not going to go on a banning spree.

Position: Community Moderator Description: The Community Mod will come up with the lobby announcements. They can keep the community up to date with events users are hosting such as: plugdj, discord, jackbox and movie nights. They will also lead design based aspects of sandbox including choosing the lobby banner, the lobby background, and the lobby polls. You should apply if: You are a very active user. You don’t need to be an artist but should have artistic taste. You communicate well with others and are up to date on social happenings.

We would put great empashize on having more community-orientented games like Dooze's Sandbox Assassin and Amelio's Sandbox Big Brother, SupBros' large games, or Plissken's unique events. We would create a fun lobby where we constantly have events being run and promote these events well rather than leaving the lobby stagnant as I talked about earlier and just having the same setup being hosted every single day.

I had great interest in running a lobby with an enforced set of rules, yet lenient when it needs to be. I had great interest I running the lobby with a policy in which everyone can play in Sandbox, but those who constantly interfere with the functioning of the lobby will be barred from playing here, a fair chance policy. This policy would also state that the moderators and even the owner themselves could not hold grudges and act due to that fact and this would include a fair chance when choosing moderators as well. With the fair chance policy, the moderators must live up to the rule as well and will be held to the highest of standards. In the event we had a moderator abusing their powers like error did, they would be removed from their position because of their interference with the functioning of the lobby. The main rules I believe need to be enforced are those that protect the people from legitimately feeling unsafe within the lobby. The people doxing users, threatening to reveal someone's personal information, and effectively chasing out our active userbase should not be allowed in this lobby -- and Bebop & friends are no stranger to doing this.

I do not claim my ideas to be perfect, yet they were ideas and I had the drive to implement them before the robbery, I do believe that we need an owner who cares enough to TRY to do something positive with this lobby.

Do you understand now?
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A lobby moderator should do more than just enforce rules, they should also be a part of the community and make efforts to help keep it alive. What I said about being held accountable in the role was prefaced with my complaint that lobby moderators have simply sat in the chatbox in the past instead of being a part of the community by playing games and or hosting events for the community.


chatbox is a part of the community

yes arguably a part that no one likes except other chatboxers

but a part

the fact that moderators don't like to play games is probably because of the fact that the game mafia gets repetitive

and if you are a moderator since the sandbox mindset is "no mods" (https://epicmafia.com/topic/85144 cub saying her reasons for no mods, https://epicmafia.com/topic/85764?username=dooze dooze continuing this and the poll) you're probably going to be n1d because of it further making mods not want to play

and if we're talking community events i participated in tale of the conquistador if you remember and almost no one liked it so that's probably why we haven't seen too many community events as of recently



You said that a lot of this stuff sounds like common sense, so are you now saying that common sense makes no sense?


no what doesn't make sense is having *specific* moderators doing it

if someone's abusing their power it shows in mod actions and they get demodded

my problem is is that i don't see the *benefits* of doing it as you suggest rather than just having it as one person like it has been for the last 2 owners



If you want to continue making a fool out of yourself, due to a silly grudge you have against me, user Nakkhash, then so be it.


how stupid do you have to be to accuse me of making a fool out of myself but then misspelling my name in the same sentence
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the only thing i wish to revive is the south

we will rise again
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oh sht my lord is back *bows down*

the holy church of jamal marley is a sanctuary to all and a community for all
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It is disappointing you fail to read things fully as you continue to embarrass yourself, user Nakkhash. I do not think you understand that being held accountable means than for more than just what can be seen on the moderator actions list. A lobby moderator should do more than just enforce rules, they should also be a part of the community and make efforts to help keep it alive. What I said about being held accountable in the role was prefaced with my complaint that lobby moderators have simply sat in the chatbox in the past instead of being a part of the community by playing games and or hosting events for the community. I believe it is in your best interest to respond to things fully and if you only understand a sentence out of a paragraph, then feel free to ask for clarification and it will be provided for you.

You said that a lot of this stuff sounds like common sense, so are you now saying that common sense makes no sense? Yet again you find yourself in an embarrassing situation. So when you stated that the ideas seemed like common sense, I responded by stating that the ideas were not touted as "revolutionary" or "new" but just put out to the public because that is what I had planned for the lobby before it was stolen from me.

If you want to continue making a fool out of yourself, due to a silly grudge you have against me, user Nakkhash, then so be it. You are making yourself look incompetent by continuously sticking your foot in your mouth just to try to attack me and my ideas.
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If we had specific tasks for each moderator, they would be able to be held accountable.


https://epicmafia.com/moderator

you notice in the right-side of the screen how it shows mod actions even in obscure lobbies no one cares about

well we're in luck because sandbox is an obscure lobby no one cares about

and as for the things that mod actions doesn't show (current stickied setups, available games, etc) if there was only one person (like there is now) it would be really obvious who did it




I have stated that these ideas are not revolutionary or new and that the issue is that we need an owner who cares enough to implement them and it has been this way since I posted these ideas 15 months ago -- you should read fully before you show your ignorance.



when did i say these ideas were new or revolutionary i was attacking the fact they make no sense
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HuskyJiminie says

When is the whole voting for mod thing happening


Moderator Shoopie stated that I should send her my moderator application and assured me that it would be looked at fairly so i did just that two weeks ago and just a few days ago I sent her a message to follow up and to hear about when I would hear back, alas she ignored me. These events lead me to believe that once again, my moderator application was rejected immediately and that Shoopie was a part of this.
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Nakhhash says


jingahegami says

Ban Nakhhash




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When is the whole voting for mod thing happening
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Nakhhash says

the moderator "positions" don't make any sense they just sound like something that every moderator should do

a lot of this stuff just sounds like common sense the only thing that i'm curious about is how you would maintain transparency

also what makes you think anyone should take you seriously after you and your cult have been annoying the lobby for how long now


They most certainly do make sense.

In an ideal world, all moderators would do all of these tasks and do them well but that has never been the case with our moderators. Our moderators have sat in the chatbox, not playing games, not hosting community events, abusing their powers, and fuelling the fire in forum arguments. If we had specific tasks for each moderator, they would be able to be held accountable.

I have stated that these ideas are not revolutionary or new and that the issue is that we need an owner who cares enough to implement them and it has been this way since I posted these ideas 15 months ago -- you should read fully before you show your ignorance.

I do not have a cult -- I have a group of likeminded individuals who wish to better the lobby by eradicating toxicity.
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jingahegami says

Ban Nakhhash

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just let this site die u fiend
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Ban Nakhhash
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the moderator "positions" don't make any sense they just sound like something that every moderator should do

a lot of this stuff just sounds like common sense the only thing that i'm curious about is how you would maintain transparency

also what makes you think anyone should take you seriously after you and your cult have been annoying the lobby for how long now
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Yes! Please ban all the nasty homosexuals too.
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Shwartz99 says

My lord, the colonists of Games Lobby are threatening revolution. Only you can save our presence there!


The heathens have banned me from their lobby -- quite sad.
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Shwartz99 says

My lord, the colonists of Games Lobby are threatening revolution. Only you can save our presence there!


keep it up and i reban you
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Did not read most of it but I like you so upvoted :3
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My lord, the colonists of Games Lobby are threatening revolution. Only you can save our presence there!
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Jamal for mod
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Stove says

jamal for president of game lobby


hands off
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User 4thNightFacinorous,

As I have stated, these are ideas copied and pasted directly from the thread which I created 15 months ago after this lobby was stolen from me. This thread was initially to show that I had plans for the community and that I have sought to improve it. It has now turned into a discussion about the revival.

The moves we are able to make are limited without Lucid being interested in taking the time to further this website, so we must work with what we have. There can be no complete revamp at this moment, yet we can try to knock some sense into Lucid.

I will continue my response to your ideas soon.
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jamal for president of game lobby
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And finally. Some extra mod groups.

"Agony Aunt" Mods description: These mods answer any people's questions they've got about the site in general. Unlike the forums, these are private and 1 to 1. Can be for noavis or for normal players. Qualifications would obviously be a caring, listening individuals who's committed to the site.

"Tribunal" Mods description: These aren't really mods and have no real duties. Are elected by the people but still need to be given the green light by an admin. Their role is to review controversial cases committed by mods or a scandal about a mod. These tribunal decide by themselves if it's an important case and with enough evidence bring their finding to an admin. Basically, they've the police for the police if it were.
^
Created this role in my "Epicmafia Elections!" post.

Cheers for reading.
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And here's some points we might need to survive the following months.

A media team who sole purpose is to track down any dying mini game/ mafia websites and bring them here and to create more relevant ads to bring people here. And like you said, bring a friend online. Only temporary but we need to buy time.

Temp ban anyone who even gives the inclination of wanting to on a noavi's time. Harsh but yet again, we need to keep the site alive for reforms you've said to be put in place.
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Honesty, you've raised some really interesting and well thought out ideas. I agree that some of these are necessary. Truly. I tried something similar but more based on a democracy a month ago. IF these "reforms" were implemented, we could honestly see a return to our former glory if it were. However, we need to ask our selves why this has happened in the first place?

As you'e already mentioned, the

JamalMarley says

It is a cycle that repeats itself because of this community does not engage anyone.


and I agree with this. To add to your points, we've had *some" mods which their personalities have made them a comprise to the website which again you brought up in the OP. However, I believe the toxicity is a culture and near impossible to remove. Stamping it out will take a whole system upheaval and not a just a few changes. Personally, at this present time, it isn't possible. Corruption as well has doomed the site as well. Once again, almost a culture which I think it's reasonable to assume it'll be hard to remove as well.

In addition, do we even have the manpower anymore to have so many positions? At the moment, our primary goal should be surviving. Once we get out of this problem we can think of a complete change to the system. Nevertheless, your points are still very good in my own opinion.


Some points that need to be added to help the community to survive in my own opinion.

More transparency e.g. discorg or another means of conversation should be made public for everyone else.

(As you've said) More activeness in the community.

Updating the site's interface e.g. skipping a turn in Dice Wars rather than a kick.

Giving the site a 2010s look rather than a 2000s to look more appealing.

Try to remove objective (well objective enough) toxicity and try (though near impossible) to stop noavi lynching.