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The State of Sandbox

almost 8 years

For years, this lobby has been stagnant, it has been declining in activity, and it has quickly been losing interest for those of us who have been here for a couple of years. The ownership of the lobby being passed around like a game of hot potato to me was unacceptable and therefore I decided to create a plan to change the lobby and make it a better and safer experience for those of us here. I was made aware that I was the heir to the throne long ago and ever since then, I began to work on some of these ideas. I have been observing the lobby for years and participating when necessary so that I could bring you, the people, the necessary changes that you need.

To begin,

I did not intend to rule alone or with just the moderators I choose, I was not interested in a clique ruling the lobby like we are going to have with an owner like Merlot and like we had with Bebop. This secretive clique may be great for those who Merlot and Bebop are looking out for (themselves, other site moderators), but it is not good for the people. I intended to rule with transparency -- true transparency. I wanted the people of Sandbox to help make decisions and I intended to start up open forums to hear what you had to say on issues such as what the role of the lobby moderator should be since they do not do much (I will talk about this more later on in this thread) and if the moderators and I could not come to a decision about what to do with controversial issues like certain users posting content in the lobby chat, then we'd create an open forum allowing the people to have their say on the issue.

The role of the moderators would drastically change, making them more useful within the lobby as I have seen many people say that moderators just aren't needed in Sandbox, here are the descriptions of the roles that I created with the help of some of my friends which were set to be included in the moderator applications yesterday before the lobby was stolen from me:

Position: Forum Moderator Description: The forum moderator is the peace keeper of the forums. Their responsibilities include sticking the most relevant threads to the lobby wall, moving topics to their appropriate location, judging and enforcing rules violations in forums, and creating topics of interest. You should apply if: You are a very active user. You enjoy reading TheLastProphet’s and MeetTerry’s posts. You are organized.

Position: Games Moderator Description: The Games Moderator will have several responsibilities all of which include keeping the community having fun. The Games mod will be in charge of choosing the stickied setups, hosting setups and introducing new ones, hosting forum games or alternative games outside of sandbox or promoting games others are hosting. You should apply if: You are a very active user. You are creative. You are a good host. You enjoy the mafia based aspect of this mafia simulator site.

Position: Enforcer Moderator Description: The Enforcer Moderator will be the strong arm of the law. They must enforce the rules and will make no leeway for personal relationships. While all mods enforce the rules, the Enforcer Mod will be the primary mod to handle violations, give out punishment, police the lobby wall and lobby chat, and serve anyone who feels their experience in sandbox is being affected by other users. You should apply if: You are a very active user. You consider yourself tempered and level-headed. You are neither an SJW nor a racist. You’re not going to go on a banning spree.

Position: Community Moderator Description: The Community Mod will come up with the lobby announcements. They can keep the community up to date with events users are hosting such as: plugdj, discord, jackbox and movie nights. They will also lead design based aspects of sandbox including choosing the lobby banner, the lobby background, and the lobby polls. You should apply if: You are a very active user. You don’t need to be an artist but should have artistic taste. You communicate well with others and are up to date on social happenings.

We would put great empashize on having more community-orientented games like Dooze's Sandbox Assassin and Amelio's Sandbox Big Brother, SupBros' large games, or Plissken's unique events. We would create a fun lobby where we constantly have events being run and promote these events well rather than leaving the lobby stagnant as I talked about earlier and just having the same setup being hosted every single day.

I had great interest in running a lobby with an enforced set of rules, yet lenient when it needs to be. I had great interest I running the lobby with a policy in which everyone can play in Sandbox, but those who constantly interfere with the functioning of the lobby will be barred from playing here, a fair chance policy. This policy would also state that the moderators and even the owner themselves could not hold grudges and act due to that fact and this would include a fair chance when choosing moderators as well. With the fair chance policy, the moderators must live up to the rule as well and will be held to the highest of standards. In the event we had a moderator abusing their powers like error did, they would be removed from their position because of their interference with the functioning of the lobby. The main rules I believe need to be enforced are those that protect the people from legitimately feeling unsafe within the lobby. The people doxing users, threatening to reveal someone's personal information, and effectively chasing out our active userbase should not be allowed in this lobby -- and Bebop & friends are no stranger to doing this.

http://i.imgur.com/EmBybqe.png Bebop on who he thought the next Sandbox owner would be

http://i.imgur.com/XCsxx5M.png As we know, Bebop and his friends are no strangers to doxing users and threatening to reveal their personal information, this whatever it takes attitude is very telling.

http://i.imgur.com/pIHybZb.png He is not interested in working with the two moderators that have actually been beneficial to this lobby in recent memory. We can easily assume the hivemind believes the same.

I applied to be a moderator of this lobby under other owners in the past and have included my desire to be apart of a team with conflicting opinions in the application, and I have that same wish today and I wish to have people argue against me during these open forum discussions and I wish for people to play devil's advocate and I want to come to the best decisions possible as a result of this. I think it is crucial that everyone feels as though they can speak their true mind instead of feeling like they'll be punished for saying something the owner disagrees with like the moderators felt during Bebop's reign. I may not always make the best executive decision, but if someone can win a debate about something I did, then I think it is very telling that I made the wrong decision because if I was right, I should be able to defend myself and my decision. When Bebop made the many poor decisions he made during his reigns and the community argued against him, he resorted to arguing using jokes and memes to avoid having to actually argue and defend his decision -- this was one of the things I could not stand to do as owner as it is cowardly and it is not for the good of the people.

I was not interested in being pushed around by the site moderators (this is why they removed me, they knew I would not bow down to them) because these same site moderators are the same people that do nothing and in fact, support the doxing, threatening, and chasing away of our people from Sandbox. We needed someone to stand up to these people and I do believe we still need that. No one should fear for their safety on a mafia simulator site, this site should be to have fun, but it is most definitely not fun to have your personal information taken from you and it is not fun to be threatened with it.

I was the owner of this lobby and I was going to make it a great environment for all of us, but the fact is that it wasn't stolen from me -- it was stolen from all of you. During Bebop's reign, I was very much against the shady things Bebop & his friends were doing and fought to expose them and I did so, these people are not looking out for anyone but themselves and those who are in their hivemind. Edark removed me from the owner position because of many things including me openly stating that I do not feel as though he is fit to be an administrator ad he knew he could not control me or intimidate me. Edark did not come to me to ask me what my plans were or what my stance on any controversial issues were like that of the hateful comments rule that he asked baaabaa about when she was the interm owner -- he just removed me. Now the lobby is under the control of someone who has supported doxing users, threatening to reveal their personal information, and then chasing these same users out of the lobby out of fear -- and I just do not find this acceptable. If the people do not believe me to be the right fit to become owner once more, then I am formally giving my support to lobby moderator Dooze as I know she will implement these ideas and many others in order to protect all of you from people like Bebop, Edark, and friends.

Thank you, Jamal Marley

over 7 years
blast from 1 month 28 days ago
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blast from the past
over 7 years
ooo feisty~
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Ally says


Edark says

Once I've had to step in since you guys thought you can just pass ownership around as you please without any consequences.

Normal procedure involves PM'ing lucid as this is not a custom lobby and they cant just do what they please. As far as Im aware, Fred nor baabaa did this when they gave ownership to Jamal.


can we see the PM to lucid that gave merlot permission to give the lobby to her boyfriend? that sounds like a conflict of interest to me


"It's okay when we do it."
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alternatively we could just ignore it because they're edark's mods and therefore they can do whatever they want and it's totally cool despite bebop being an unfit owner and having sandbox taken from him twice

jamal never even got a chance before it was taken and it was blamed on fred and baabaa for just "giving it away"

what is this, then??
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Edark says

Once I've had to step in since you guys thought you can just pass ownership around as you please without any consequences.

Normal procedure involves PM'ing lucid as this is not a custom lobby and they cant just do what they please. As far as Im aware, Fred nor baabaa did this when they gave ownership to Jamal.


can we see the PM to lucid that gave merlot permission to give the lobby to her boyfriend? that sounds like a conflict of interest to me
almost 8 years

xxerox says

I will be much happy if Cory gets a violation for forum spam.


And here you are in a topic that doesn't relate to you where you turn it into your own anecdotal experiences about when the evil mods hurt you. Maybe you should be the one who gets a forum spam violation.
almost 8 years

JamalMarley says


tigermom says


JamalMarley says


tigermom says

Just because Fred was owner does not mean he should have any say in who becomes owner next, especially seeing that he was owner only for a month and left because he disliked the community or whatever.


Fred did not leave because he disliked the community.

He left because he and his friend were being harassed by certain users in the lobby and other reasons, yet that is not my part to tell -- you may ask him yourself.

If you are unaware of what actually happened, why do you speak as though you do?

Ask questions if you are unsure.


If people are not given answers, they will form their own assumptions about what happened. Instead of "he disliked the community" I was gonna say "the community disliked him" which is kind of the same thing what you said; I didn't write it like that because there obviously were people that enjoyed him as owner.


Being harassed by a certain group of people that have harassed other users does not mean that the community did not like him, it means that like others, Fred was chased out of the lobby and out of the site.


I think these people ought to be outed; the way his reign ended did not seem just.
almost 8 years

Nathan says


rockgirlnikki says


rockgirlnikki says


CooperD says


celestial says


rockgirlnikki says

Where is Nathan, lol


nathan is too pure to deal with this sh​itstorm


Nathan is the hot one right?


Post nudes, Nathan.





coming your way nikki ;o


Where they at tho?
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calling 1-800-FELLA will ensure that whoever calls you a childfkr gets a brogue kick right to the face, xxeroxx!
almost 8 years
Admin accusing you of being a childfcker? Better call 1-800-FELLA
almost 8 years

tigermom says


JamalMarley says


tigermom says

Just because Fred was owner does not mean he should have any say in who becomes owner next, especially seeing that he was owner only for a month and left because he disliked the community or whatever.


Fred did not leave because he disliked the community.

He left because he and his friend were being harassed by certain users in the lobby and other reasons, yet that is not my part to tell -- you may ask him yourself.

If you are unaware of what actually happened, why do you speak as though you do?

Ask questions if you are unsure.


If people are not given answers, they will form their own assumptions about what happened. Instead of "he disliked the community" I was gonna say "the community disliked him" which is kind of the same thing what you said; I didn't write it like that because there obviously were people that enjoyed him as owner.


Being harassed by a certain group of people that have harassed other users does not mean that the community did not like him, it means that like others, Fred was chased out of the lobby and out of the site.
almost 8 years
Trolling =/= helping
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wow, and here i was trying to help you.
almost 8 years
I will be much happy if Cory gets a violation for forum spam.
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xxerox says

I am fighting back with everything i have.




allow me to assist you,,,,
almost 8 years

Bebop says

i'm saying this 100% honestly i'm not having a go at you or anything but if the site is making you that jumpy or depressed maybe you should leave the site


No.

I can't leave this site because i enjoy playing it. I am here for over 8 years and i am not leaving because someone like Edark and co are harrasing me.

I am fighting back with everything i have.
almost 8 years

xxerox says

if you think someone is innocent you ignore it


"hey everyone this person who i think is innocent is on trial for murder, let's ignore it"
almost 8 years
i'm saying this 100% honestly i'm not having a go at you or anything but if the site is making you that jumpy or depressed maybe you should leave the site
almost 8 years
If you think someone is guilty you pm and ask him. if you think someone is innocent you ignore it.
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him so upset makes me think hes guilty tbh

begone chldfkr
almost 8 years

Jimbei says

Someone's trying to help you. I don't care if you disagree with them not going about it the way you want them to be but they're trying to help you. Don't think everyone is immediately against you especially when they are trying to help you.


Right now everyone knows how jumpy and depressed i am and how easilly i am angered when people troll me . My 10 page long topic complaining against edark and raging agaisnt him is proof that i take everything serious.

Why you would pm me something like that especially when you are a moderator (And i am fighting agains the mod team)
almost 8 years

xxerox says


Bebop says

but she's not inherently believing them, she went to you and asked for your side


And how is she expecting me to respond? "Yes Merlot, all the rumours are tottaly true. I am definetly involved with children on a daily basis ;)" /s


perhaps something like "no, the rumours started due to x and y, people are just taking what i said out of context" or anything like that

you're automatically assuming that she thinks you're guilty which isn't implied in that message at all
almost 8 years

Jimbei says

Someone's trying to help you. I don't care if you disagree with them not going about it the way you want them to be but they're trying to help you. Don't think everyone is immediately against you especially when they are trying to help you.


Why even PM with something like that if trying to help...
almost 8 years

Bebop says

but she's not inherently believing them, she went to you and asked for your side


And how is she expecting me to respond? "Yes Merlot, all the rumours are tottaly true. I am definetly involved with children on a daily basis ;)" /s