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The State of Sandbox

almost 8 years

For years, this lobby has been stagnant, it has been declining in activity, and it has quickly been losing interest for those of us who have been here for a couple of years. The ownership of the lobby being passed around like a game of hot potato to me was unacceptable and therefore I decided to create a plan to change the lobby and make it a better and safer experience for those of us here. I was made aware that I was the heir to the throne long ago and ever since then, I began to work on some of these ideas. I have been observing the lobby for years and participating when necessary so that I could bring you, the people, the necessary changes that you need.

To begin,

I did not intend to rule alone or with just the moderators I choose, I was not interested in a clique ruling the lobby like we are going to have with an owner like Merlot and like we had with Bebop. This secretive clique may be great for those who Merlot and Bebop are looking out for (themselves, other site moderators), but it is not good for the people. I intended to rule with transparency -- true transparency. I wanted the people of Sandbox to help make decisions and I intended to start up open forums to hear what you had to say on issues such as what the role of the lobby moderator should be since they do not do much (I will talk about this more later on in this thread) and if the moderators and I could not come to a decision about what to do with controversial issues like certain users posting content in the lobby chat, then we'd create an open forum allowing the people to have their say on the issue.

The role of the moderators would drastically change, making them more useful within the lobby as I have seen many people say that moderators just aren't needed in Sandbox, here are the descriptions of the roles that I created with the help of some of my friends which were set to be included in the moderator applications yesterday before the lobby was stolen from me:

Position: Forum Moderator Description: The forum moderator is the peace keeper of the forums. Their responsibilities include sticking the most relevant threads to the lobby wall, moving topics to their appropriate location, judging and enforcing rules violations in forums, and creating topics of interest. You should apply if: You are a very active user. You enjoy reading TheLastProphet’s and MeetTerry’s posts. You are organized.

Position: Games Moderator Description: The Games Moderator will have several responsibilities all of which include keeping the community having fun. The Games mod will be in charge of choosing the stickied setups, hosting setups and introducing new ones, hosting forum games or alternative games outside of sandbox or promoting games others are hosting. You should apply if: You are a very active user. You are creative. You are a good host. You enjoy the mafia based aspect of this mafia simulator site.

Position: Enforcer Moderator Description: The Enforcer Moderator will be the strong arm of the law. They must enforce the rules and will make no leeway for personal relationships. While all mods enforce the rules, the Enforcer Mod will be the primary mod to handle violations, give out punishment, police the lobby wall and lobby chat, and serve anyone who feels their experience in sandbox is being affected by other users. You should apply if: You are a very active user. You consider yourself tempered and level-headed. You are neither an SJW nor a racist. You’re not going to go on a banning spree.

Position: Community Moderator Description: The Community Mod will come up with the lobby announcements. They can keep the community up to date with events users are hosting such as: plugdj, discord, jackbox and movie nights. They will also lead design based aspects of sandbox including choosing the lobby banner, the lobby background, and the lobby polls. You should apply if: You are a very active user. You don’t need to be an artist but should have artistic taste. You communicate well with others and are up to date on social happenings.

We would put great empashize on having more community-orientented games like Dooze's Sandbox Assassin and Amelio's Sandbox Big Brother, SupBros' large games, or Plissken's unique events. We would create a fun lobby where we constantly have events being run and promote these events well rather than leaving the lobby stagnant as I talked about earlier and just having the same setup being hosted every single day.

I had great interest in running a lobby with an enforced set of rules, yet lenient when it needs to be. I had great interest I running the lobby with a policy in which everyone can play in Sandbox, but those who constantly interfere with the functioning of the lobby will be barred from playing here, a fair chance policy. This policy would also state that the moderators and even the owner themselves could not hold grudges and act due to that fact and this would include a fair chance when choosing moderators as well. With the fair chance policy, the moderators must live up to the rule as well and will be held to the highest of standards. In the event we had a moderator abusing their powers like error did, they would be removed from their position because of their interference with the functioning of the lobby. The main rules I believe need to be enforced are those that protect the people from legitimately feeling unsafe within the lobby. The people doxing users, threatening to reveal someone's personal information, and effectively chasing out our active userbase should not be allowed in this lobby -- and Bebop & friends are no stranger to doing this.

http://i.imgur.com/EmBybqe.png Bebop on who he thought the next Sandbox owner would be

http://i.imgur.com/XCsxx5M.png As we know, Bebop and his friends are no strangers to doxing users and threatening to reveal their personal information, this whatever it takes attitude is very telling.

http://i.imgur.com/pIHybZb.png He is not interested in working with the two moderators that have actually been beneficial to this lobby in recent memory. We can easily assume the hivemind believes the same.

I applied to be a moderator of this lobby under other owners in the past and have included my desire to be apart of a team with conflicting opinions in the application, and I have that same wish today and I wish to have people argue against me during these open forum discussions and I wish for people to play devil's advocate and I want to come to the best decisions possible as a result of this. I think it is crucial that everyone feels as though they can speak their true mind instead of feeling like they'll be punished for saying something the owner disagrees with like the moderators felt during Bebop's reign. I may not always make the best executive decision, but if someone can win a debate about something I did, then I think it is very telling that I made the wrong decision because if I was right, I should be able to defend myself and my decision. When Bebop made the many poor decisions he made during his reigns and the community argued against him, he resorted to arguing using jokes and memes to avoid having to actually argue and defend his decision -- this was one of the things I could not stand to do as owner as it is cowardly and it is not for the good of the people.

I was not interested in being pushed around by the site moderators (this is why they removed me, they knew I would not bow down to them) because these same site moderators are the same people that do nothing and in fact, support the doxing, threatening, and chasing away of our people from Sandbox. We needed someone to stand up to these people and I do believe we still need that. No one should fear for their safety on a mafia simulator site, this site should be to have fun, but it is most definitely not fun to have your personal information taken from you and it is not fun to be threatened with it.

I was the owner of this lobby and I was going to make it a great environment for all of us, but the fact is that it wasn't stolen from me -- it was stolen from all of you. During Bebop's reign, I was very much against the shady things Bebop & his friends were doing and fought to expose them and I did so, these people are not looking out for anyone but themselves and those who are in their hivemind. Edark removed me from the owner position because of many things including me openly stating that I do not feel as though he is fit to be an administrator ad he knew he could not control me or intimidate me. Edark did not come to me to ask me what my plans were or what my stance on any controversial issues were like that of the hateful comments rule that he asked baaabaa about when she was the interm owner -- he just removed me. Now the lobby is under the control of someone who has supported doxing users, threatening to reveal their personal information, and then chasing these same users out of the lobby out of fear -- and I just do not find this acceptable. If the people do not believe me to be the right fit to become owner once more, then I am formally giving my support to lobby moderator Dooze as I know she will implement these ideas and many others in order to protect all of you from people like Bebop, Edark, and friends.

Thank you, Jamal Marley

almost 8 years

Bebop says

well, literally none of it has proof but i won't deny using bad words or posting an ISIS song, both of which are jokes


Moderators should not joke around with something like this.
almost 8 years
well, literally none of it has proof but i won't deny using bad words or posting an ISIS song, both of which are jokes
almost 8 years
Why did Lucid even admin edork anyways? Is it because he paid for Lucid's beers a few years ago or something? Sad!
almost 8 years

Ashe says

Bop' with the list that he's done


you know there is almost nothing proven on that list?

i haven't doxxed anyone
i haven't harassed anyone
i haven't threatened to reveal anyones personal information
i haven't chased anyone off site

if you think that i have, provide evidence because i'd really like to see what makes you think this
almost 8 years
Only power matters.

I read few pages back where Edark explains how the moderator team main purpose is doing reports or something like that.

The truth is only 1-2 moderators do the reports. few days ago there were 110+ open reports.

2 of the moderators are on vacantion right now too.

All i see of what Edark speaks is lies.
almost 8 years
The biggest issue here aside from the clear incompetency of Edark is that he is not only allowing these types of things to occur but supporting it by putting people involved with that type of thing in power both in this lobby and on the site moderator team. Edark is not supporting any one of us, we do not matter to him and we shouldn't from his point of view.
almost 8 years

Floor says

Jesus some of you take this site too seriously


This site should just be fun and games, but it's not just that.

When people are being doxed on this site and their information is being threatened to be revealed, that is reason to take this seriously, but if you think otherwise then you may privately message me your address, full name, phone number and with that information I'll find your social media accounts and chat with your friends, maybe spread some rumors too, who knows what else I'd think of?

Does that sound fun? No? Something you'd take pretty seriously if it were happening to you? Yes. Why not take it seriously when other community members are facing this issue?
almost 8 years

Floor says

Jesus some of you take this site too seriously


This is moreover a COMMUNITY SITE, so if you got cucks like Bop' with the list that he's done and you got his inactive fiance who gets Sandbox who doesn't deserve it, wouldn't you be mad too?

Bad enough error went full on 2 year old and messed up Sandbox lol
almost 8 years

JamalMarley says


xxerox says

This is my favourite Edark Quote.

This is him on everyday basis and how serious he is toward everything:



And that is on a serious complain thread.


Not surprising.

My favourite quote from him, although recent, is when he said "What the community thinks matters very little" despite being the primary site administrator for this website, a community driven website.

Amazing how little he cares for this site.


Hah, they told me no one cares about the rules and about the site. So i should stop complaining xD
almost 8 years
Jesus some of you take this site too seriously
almost 8 years

xxerox says

This is my favourite Edark Quote.

This is him on everyday basis and how serious he is toward everything:



And that is on a serious complain thread.


Not surprising.

My favourite quote from him, although recent, is when he said "What the community thinks matters very little" despite being the primary site administrator for this website, a community driven website.

Amazing how little he cares for this site.
almost 8 years
This is my favourite Edark Quote.

This is him on everyday basis and how serious he is toward everything:



And that is on a serious complain thread.
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aquarius says


CooperD says

yadda yadda


if you have a problem with me then take it up elsewhere than a thread about sandbox government. this aint a personal attacks thread.


You've just done the same thing again? Nice way to belittle my valid points with the 'blah blah' by the way.

So let me get this straight, it's fine for you to throw shade at verumbark? You must struggle with the classic narcissists dilemma Grace - you can give it but you can't take it.

It was just an observation. You can't possibly be getting angry because I've made a completely valid, honest, non-shady observation? (I understand I am being slightly sarcastic. For the record, my observation is actually completely valid, unlike yours).
almost 8 years

tigermom says

Just because Fred was owner does not mean he should have any say in who becomes owner next, especially seeing that he was owner only for a month and left because he disliked the community or whatever.


Fred did not leave because he disliked the community.

He left because he and his friend were being harassed by certain users in the lobby and other reasons, yet that is not my part to tell -- you may ask him yourself.

If you are unaware of what actually happened, why do you speak as though you do?

Ask questions if you are unsure.
almost 8 years
I will tell you list of people who support Edark and do anything he tells them:

Gritt, Body, Sweetnkind, Beebop, Merlot, whitepimp007, describe.

Those are just the most evident one.

The probelm is edark was admin for so long, he almost replaced all moderators with his friends.
almost 8 years

xxerox says

And i am pretty sure only reason Merlot is Sandbox admin is because Merlot supports Edark.


Of course, they're in the same group of friends. If Edark was really concerned about the stability of Sandbox then he 1) would not have taken the lobby away from someone who had no intention of giving it away or 2) given the lobby to someone who is actually active within the Sandbox community in Dooze.
almost 8 years

CooperD says

yadda yadda


if you have a problem with me then take it up elsewhere than a thread about sandbox government. this aint a personal attacks thread.
almost 8 years
And i am pretty sure only reason Merlot is Sandbox admin is because Merlot supports Edark.
almost 8 years

JamalMarley says


xxerox says


JamalMarley says

It is not hard to understand that someone who feels as though the moderation team has issues wishes to join it in order to fight for what they believe is right.


The mod team has issues?

The admin curses like an old sailor and breaks the rules whenever he wants, unbans whoever he wants and removes violations of people so they to support him.

The moderators also curse all the time and do whatever Edark tells them with no questions and mock those that try to stop them.

The team is litteraly broken.


Yes and this is precisely why you have a place on this thread despite other users saying otherwise.

This thread has highlighted how incapable Edark is of running this website. To be caught in so many hypocritical situations where he clearly favors his friends and does not favor people who he does not like is absurd. To openly say that what the people on this website want matters very little is absurd.

What you have done is brought even more examples of the incapability of Edark and you showed that this is not just a few mistakes but rather a trend.


He got 3 violations for 3 games he played the same day.

And one got removed because "joke report haha"

Then he strated removing violations of people i reported. Unbanned few players to stop complaining.
almost 8 years

xxerox says


JamalMarley says

It is not hard to understand that someone who feels as though the moderation team has issues wishes to join it in order to fight for what they believe is right.


The mod team has issues?

The admin curses like an old sailor and breaks the rules whenever he wants, unbans whoever he wants and removes violations of people so they to support him.

The moderators also curse all the time and do whatever Edark tells them with no questions and mock those that try to stop them.

The team is litteraly broken.


Yes and this is precisely why you have a place on this thread despite other users saying otherwise.

This thread has highlighted how incapable Edark is of running this website. To be caught in so many hypocritical situations where he clearly favors his friends and does not favor people who he does not like is absurd. To openly say that what the people on this website want matters very little is absurd.

What you have done is brought even more examples of the incapability of Edark and you showed that this is not just a few mistakes but rather a trend.
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aquarius says


Kaworu says


aquarius says


Kaworu says

kinda glad cory is here to show @nepenthe and @aquarius how gross you also look when you make fun of someone so much younger than you


so making a legitimate observation is considered bullying someone. is nothing sacred?


im making a legitimate observation that you're gross sorry if you feel bullied, it isnt bullying


did you completely miss what i said LOL

what i said to verum was a legitimate observation. it was a one sentence TL;DR of their whole post. not sure why that's considered "making fun of someone"


This is why I don't like you. I could do my normal angry Cooper-esque Mean Girls inspired tirade but I'll keep it civilised.

Your comment clearly wasn't just an observation but designed to illegitimise/belittle verum by insinuating it's ridiculous a group of 19 year olds would make him fear for his safety. Of course I don't really have to explain this to you, you're clearly not intellectually challenged Grace; it's just a shame you undermine my intelligence by implying i can't assimilate your shade.

The fact is, ironically, you've shown how your behaviour and the behaviour of others (highlighted perfectly by verum, his comment and subsequent distasteful comments by Cory, Bebop & yourself) prove this website should be nowhere near the hands of a group of emotionally under developed teenagers.

I really don't like your rhetoric and the blatant disregard for what you say and how it has an affect on the people who clearly don't register on your social radar.
almost 8 years
Edark can litteraly ban whoever he wants off the site and there is no one that will stop him or voice against him of fear that he will do something to him instead.
almost 8 years

JamalMarley says

It is not hard to understand that someone who feels as though the moderation team has issues wishes to join it in order to fight for what they believe is right.


The mod team has issues?

The admin curses like an old sailor and breaks the rules whenever he wants, unbans whoever he wants and removes violations of people so they to support him.

The moderators also curse all the time and do whatever Edark tells them with no questions and mock those that try to stop them.

The team is litteraly broken.
almost 8 years
It is not hard to understand that someone who feels as though the moderation team has issues wishes to join it in order to fight for what they believe is right.
almost 8 years
i'm gonna join the mafia at entry level and really turn the whole thing around